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| daver | | posted 17-Dec-2001 5:27pm |
Assuming that I were a US citizen I would invite him in, call my lawyer, and likely accompany him back to his store. He will be no more help running the store when he's on the run from the Feds than if he's detained. He needs a longer term solution than being hidden in my basement. |
| sequel | | posted 17-Dec-2001 5:50pm |
They *are* going to find him, no use hiding him in my house. I'd walk him back over, as well as offer to call a good lawyer for him. |
| confetti | | posted 17-Dec-2001 6:16pm |
I'd let him in but worry to death about my own safety as well. Remember that part of "Little Women" that wasn't published in the beginning, where Marmee (or should I say, Abba Alcott) hid a slave that was being searched for under the floorboards in their house--where I believe they kept meat dry? That was beautiful. |
| anonymous | | (reply to confetti) posted 17-Dec-2001 6:19pm |
no we *don't* remember that part of the book!?! Maybe because were just not fudging well read as you snotty lousy little brat. Isn't *that* beautiful? |
| juliw | | posted 17-Dec-2001 6:56pm |
I'd invite him in, but I'd also call the police, just in cae he or I was in danger. |
| juliw | | (reply to confetti) posted 17-Dec-2001 7:00pm |
Yes, I loved that book. |
| juliw | | (reply to Gamera) posted 17-Dec-2001 7:06pm |
Speak for yourself, butt-hole. Some of us actually HAVE read a book. Leave confetti alone, or if you really must express your opinions, at least be enough of a person to take ownership of them. Don't hide behind an "anonymous" facade. (Look it up.)
Opinions are just like butt-holes. Everybody has one, and everybody thinks someone else's stinks. |
| jkiehart | | posted 17-Dec-2001 7:22pm |
Let him in. Call a lawyer. |
Zang  | | posted 17-Dec-2001 7:45pm |
I'm a Canadian citizen, and from what I've gleaned from the media lately, things aren't too much different here. So, adjusting a few small details like back/screen doors and such (I live in an apartment building) I'd have him inside my place before he had a chance to glance over his shoulder a second time. I would just let him talk, and perhaps try to advise him if I could, and offer to help in any way. I'm not sure what I could do. The bit about his father sounds particularly scary. That would upset me a bit I think. I might even get angry, and that doesn't happen very often. |
| Zang | | (reply to Gamera) posted 17-Dec-2001 7:47pm |
TOPPER! It is you! I was wondering who came up with this. Excellent survey! *Zang gives the big thumbs up* |
| Zang | | (reply to Gamera) posted 17-Dec-2001 8:00pm |
I just read what you wrote in qualification. I wasn't aware of that.
HEY EVERYBODY! READ WHAT TOPPER WROTE IN ADVANCED STATS.
Do you have any links about that stuff? (I might just go hunting for it in the mean time anyway)
*Zang hands topper the super-duper golden survey award for 2001, and gives her a big smooch* |
| spidertea | | (reply to Gamera) posted 17-Dec-2001 9:48pm |
Interesting survey. |
| spidertea | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 17-Dec-2001 9:49pm |
That's what I'd do too. |
Kristal_Rose    | | posted 17-Dec-2001 10:07pm |
I don't know what I'd do, but i'd certainly let him in. I invite everyone in. I would try to coach him on steering his karma, but a week is a very short time for that. A lawyer wouldn't have occurred to me, but I suppose I know a couple that would counsel a case like that. |
| Kristal_Rose | | posted 17-Dec-2001 10:14pm |
Talk in the streets is disturbing. I saw one gal on her porch wearing a towel around her shampooed hair, and her boyfriend suggested that might not be wise to do in today's public. ..talk about your paranoid social climate. |
| mandy | | posted 17-Dec-2001 11:22pm |
I would invite him in and call a friend of mine who is a lawyer. |
| Gamera | | posted 18-Dec-2001 12:58am |
This is going on and it scares the hell out of me- partly because I'm not doing anything to stop it. Of course I made up the specifics of the family, but I keep hearing the statistics of how many men have been taken with no phone calls, no chance to contact their family, and I find myself needing to put a human face on those numbers to understand what's going on. It just reminds me too much of General Pinocet "saving" Chile from the Socialists and Communists, and President Fujimore cracking down hard on crime in Peru. Each accomplished a great degree of financial and physical securities for their respective countries, but at what cost? |
| Gamera | | (reply to Zang) posted 18-Dec-2001 1:04am |
Wow, thanks. You can buy the first round of drinks next time we get together.  As for links, mostly I've been getting my news from NPR (National Public Radio). You can listen to them on the web (at www.npr.org), but they don't publish full text transcripts of their programs- much the pity. |
| Dino | | posted 18-Dec-2001 5:40am |
I'm too suspicious. I would think it was a scam to get money out of me and send him on his way. |
| skylark | | posted 18-Dec-2001 6:40am |
This was a nice survey - though I couldn't vote. But there are no Arabs in Afghanistan! If you don't count al-Qaida.
There are several ethnicities in Afghanistan, to mention a few: Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Aimaks and Hazaras. Most of those peoples speak Indo-Iranian languages. They're definitely not Arabs and neither do they speak Arabic. |
| skylark | | posted 18-Dec-2001 7:09am |
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| Oscar | | posted 18-Dec-2001 12:48pm |
let him in |
| Wookiewoman | | posted 18-Dec-2001 1:21pm |
I would let him in until the agents left his house, then he would have to go back home and discuss the situation with his mother. There really wouldn't be anything else I could do for him but pray for him and his family. |
| juliw | | (reply to Gamera) posted 18-Dec-2001 1:33pm |
I agree with you, and with your comments in Advanced Stats, as well. This survey is fantastic, definitely one of the best I've seen! |
| jkiehart | | (reply to Gamera) posted 18-Dec-2001 3:22pm |
Here in NYC when mayor Guilliani instituted his "Quality of Life" plan, young black men were getting shot left and right. He cracked down on jaywalking offenses, however the only ones getting "busted for jaywalking" were young black men, and it seemed pretty clear to me that they were just rounding all these men up to start files on them or whatever.
Well, one time, drunk, I was talking about the dramatically lowered crime rates in New York City, and that I felt safer riding the subways, walking around alone at night, etc. My friend replied, "I bet the white Aryans in Nazi Germany felt pretty safe, too."
Woah!
I can't recall the exact quote, but it's something like, "Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither." Ben Franklin, I think. |
| Gamera | | (reply to skylark) posted 18-Dec-2001 4:30pm |
I'm so embarrassed by my ignorance. I know it's wrong, yet I still find myself using "Arab" as a synonym for "Middle Eastern." |
| Biggles | | posted 18-Dec-2001 5:10pm |
I'm British  |
| Zang | | (reply to Gamera) posted 18-Dec-2001 7:38pm |
I did search around on that and came across a transcript of the president of the ACLU addressing...(a congressional committee or something, I can't remember, and that wasn't really the point). She covered a lot of the same info, but said it was more like 5000 arrests... |
| everglow | | posted 18-Dec-2001 9:57pm |
let him in. or go back and say if they take him they take me. i can't stand discrimination. |
| Gamera | | (reply to Zang) posted 18-Dec-2001 10:23pm |
5000 Arrests? My understanding was that there had been about 1200 detainments and about 500 arrests out of that. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 18-Dec-2001 10:35pm |
I was once on a bus bench in LA, and the police pulled over a drunk sitting next to me. They asked for his ID and to see the contents of his bag. I got politely irate and asked what basis they had for harrassing him. They asked for my ID, then insisted that If I really lived in LA now, I was supposed to change the address on my license within 10 days of the move. That I hadn't driven in several years was no excuse. It seemed very police-state to me that I had to carry current ID to sit on a bus bench, and I believe I said so. |
| jkiehart |
I KNOW! "Show us your papers, NOW!" How Gestapo. Hmmpf. If I'm not driving or doing anything which might cause me to be ID'd (buying cigs or alcohol, going to a club), I don't take my ID. I don't know if it's illegal or not. I've heard it both ways. The problem with America (besides our atrocious health care system), is that, seriously, the cops do whatever they want, and the lawyers straighten it out after all is said and done. It's a "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. And it's wrong. Anyhoo, K Rose, what are your holiday plans? How do you celebrate? I don't know, but something tells me you have very unique traditions. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 18-Dec-2001 11:40pm |
My ex, bro, and two teen kids live a very conventional folksy lifestyle in Alaska. and I will be with them. My kids actually reside on multiple consciousness planes (my daughters got things beyond me), but aside from her being a goth and spending all her time writing novels, they all appear quite conventional. |
| jkiehart |
How nice!!!!
You're going to see your children! From your little description you must be very proud of them, and vice versa.
I wish you the best. Now stop communicating with the radio and TV!
Is there a story as to why your brother is living is Alaska with your Ex and your children?
Maybe I don't need to hear it? |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 18-Dec-2001 11:57pm |
She left me for him when i was becoming a yogi, and now i have a five year neice. I am my childrens step-aunt. Their sister is their cousin, etc.
Why or how do you wish me to stop talking with the radio. I wouldn't know what to do with my life, since I've been doing it 13 years now. |
| jkiehart |
Oh, honey, you know what to do with your life. You just need some focus. Though I probably don't need to tell you this, maybe you should turn off the t.v. and radio (or just listen to public radio and television).
How WEIRD and unique to be a step-father/aunt. |
| ASexyBabe | | posted 19-Dec-2001 1:18am |
other |
| Dino |
listen to your breath. |
| Kristal_Rose | | (reply to jkiehart) posted 19-Dec-2001 6:51am |
At least what I watch/hear is about my life and the things I am interested in rather than about anything that comes. I'd call that focus. My problem is that I can't make decisions or priorities. I spend hours shopping because every choice is a dilemna. On days i'm connected though, i just channel advice and zip through it. it's like becoming dependant on your computer for your social communications. |
| anoddoblivion | | posted 19-Dec-2001 1:57pm |
No matter what I or anybody else does, he will still have problems. Me doing something to try to help will just make it worse. |
| Katrina16 | | posted 19-Dec-2001 6:00pm |
I'd tell him to hide somewhere until things settled down. |
| Zang | | posted 19-Dec-2001 9:20pm |
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| Gamera | | (reply to Zang) posted 20-Dec-2001 3:03am |
Thanks- that's a really good and thorough link. |
| jettles | | posted 20-Dec-2001 11:11am |
i think i would think about it and then let him in and then i think i would wonder over to their house and see what was going on! i don't know what i would do after that. i don't particularly agree with most of the changes in policy and law here since sept. 11 and how our rights can be violated now in many ways.......... |
| mandy | | (reply to Gamera) posted 20-Dec-2001 8:14pm |
This survey is brilliantly done. |
| lerojist | | posted 24-Dec-2001 1:43am |
The safety of my family would come first. I wouldn't let strangers into my home. I think the boy, and his mother should talk to the agents, and answer their questions. If innocent, they shouldn't have anything to worry about. |
| Biggles | | (reply to jettles) posted 24-Dec-2001 4:34pm |
Hey, go and leave Bill a nice message in Feedback! And spread the word! |
| jettles | | (reply to Biggles) posted 25-Dec-2001 5:09pm |
hhhhhmmmm, by here i meant in the US, not survey central!!! sorry for the misunderstanding...... i am fine with what is going on at sc! |
| Biggles | | (reply to jettles) posted 27-Dec-2001 5:23pm |
Sorry, I wasn't referring to your comment here - I was just talking generally! I guess I just confused the situation..... |
| natsim |
Let him in and put the kettle on.
I voted even though I'm not a US citizen. I hope that's okay. |
| anonymous | | posted 14-Feb-2002 6:02pm |
prolly sick my dog on him or shoot him myself |
