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| | #1 posted November 20, 2002 at 7:04pm (EDT) |
Ok, hello. I just wanted to post this "kinda funny, mostly serious" thing I got in an email or off a web site, I don't know. I didn't make it up, so I cannot verify its complete accuracy. I am not trying to start anything especially since I don't come around very often to be able to "defend" it which I wouldn't do anyway. Even though, I am not saying I agree or disagree.
Just thought some of you may enjoy it or find it interesting on some level.
I hope it isn't offensive to anyone either.
01. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Arnold Schwartzeneger
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
02. In 1979, the US Embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. A tour bus of 80 year old women
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
03. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. The King of Sweden
b. Boy Scouts
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
04. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. Geraldo Rivera
b. Pizza delivery man
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
05. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Charles Lindbergh
b. Scooby Doo
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
06. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. The World Wrestling Federation
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
07. In 1998, the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Bill's problems
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
08. In 2001, four airliners were hijacked, two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Center and the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
09. In 2002 the US fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The NFL
c. Male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 2002, reported Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Mr. Bean
b. Billy Graham
c. Male Muslim extremist mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80 yar old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85 year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former Governors.
The Gloria Aldreds and other dunder headed attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense should feel ashamed of themselves.
Stupid is as Stupid does...(Forrest Gump) | cody
| | #2 posted November 20, 2002 at 9:12pm (EDT) |
Ha! Yes, good point.
There was an anti-war rally at my school today. The liberal whackos were out doing their liberal whacko stuff. I speculated,
"Wouldn't it be funny if a terrorist with a bomb strapped to his body walked up to the podium and blew up the peace protest."
I managed to convert an attractive young hippy girl after a short argument. I've never convincted anyone of anything before...
She was talking about us being hypocrites for funding Israeli millitary spending...
I said to her, "Who are the Israeli's trying to kill."
She bit, "The Palestinians."
"Correct, who are the terrorists trying to kill."
She dodges, "People?"
I shake my head, "You, they're trying to kill <em> you </em>. That's the difference."
"I never thought of that before," she responded, somewhat confused. | pterodactyl
| | #3 posted November 20, 2002 at 10:10pm (EDT) |
One of the main reasons muslim terrorists are interested in attacking the US is *because* we support Israel! | Strider  
| | #4 posted November 21, 2002 at 12:37am (EDT) |
this looks like one of the quiz's you see on the late show with David Letterman. | anoddoblivion
| | #5 posted November 21, 2002 at 12:40am (EDT) |
Man. I don't like it that much because it just radiates hate like a fully functioning furnace radiating heat. Might be funny, might be true, but it still does what I say. Can't we all get along?!?! | msgman 
| | #6 posted November 21, 2002 at 3:18am (EDT) |
I think you're missing the point of this quiz. Rather than supporting profiling in the way you suggest, it's demonstrating exactly why it won't work. As long as people think that terrorists are easily identifiable, then terrorists will have an easy ride. | Dino
| | #7 posted November 21, 2002 at 4:17am (EDT) |
Okay, all I'm thinking right now is - 'poor attractive hippy girl' but that's just me - I'm reading feminist literature at the moment and my mind is focused elsewhere. | jekaba
| | #8 posted November 21, 2002 at 12:21pm (EDT) |
hehehe - now, now  | Frostbrand 
| | #9 posted November 21, 2002 at 6:16pm (EDT) |
Yeah. Like those poor Muslims who got beaten up and attacked for wearing traditional Muslim garb. Apparently no one told these rednecks that NONE of the 19 had beards, noe of them carried the Qu'ran, and NONE of them wore robes. They were clean shaven, casually dressed (apparently J. Crew is popular with suicidal zealots), and carried with them the same kind of vacant stares that most victims of brainswashing cults have.
Well they did! Hae you seen those pictures? These guys were dead LONG before they got on those planes. It's ALMOST enough to make you feel sorry for them. | cody
| | #10 posted November 21, 2002 at 9:32pm (EDT) |
Hehe. An interesting observation-- subtle, I hadn't thought of it myself.
That being said-- you might have missed the point. They are trying to kill us, and this is inherently more important than someone else trying to kill someone else. | kaleb777
| | #11 posted November 22, 2002 at 2:54am (EDT) |
You're letting liberal irrationality show here. You said "it might be true" but..... There shouldn't be a "but". If it's true, then that's that. | kaleb777
| | #12 posted November 22, 2002 at 3:11am (EDT) |
It's ridiculous to oppose profiling. What, are you going to pull over an 80 Year old Chinese woman driving a toyota and give her a cavity search when you are looking for a white male with a beard driving a toyota? Come on. Profiling is not racism any more than saying you're looking for male suspect is sexism. Give me a break.
Msgman - the kind funny, kind serious quiz demonstrates why profiling works. If security forces were looking for male Muslim extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40, many of those incidents could have been averted. If Sth African police are looking for a well dressed white man driving a BMW they aren't going to start in Soweto. Racial profiling is a PC catchword designed to label simple identification procedures as racism. It's not racism. It makes sense that a Muslim extremist is more likely to be a male Muslim from the Middle East or places like Indonesia and that they can be identified by religious garb first, and by their race or country of origin second.
If you wish a man wearing a yamaka a happy Hannukuh, isn't that profiling too?
| anoddoblivion
| | #13 posted November 22, 2002 at 8:44am (EDT) |
I don't understand the relevance to your post. True or not, I still don't like the little quiz because it does what I say. | Frostbrand
| | #14 posted November 22, 2002 at 4:25pm (EDT) |
Profiling is what causes hundreds of thousands of innocent and harmless black people to be pulled over, searched illegally and have their cars torn apart looking for drugs.
From NWA's Fudge Tha Police;
<i> Searching my car,
Looking for the product,
Thinkin' every nigger is selling narcotics</i>
Profiling is what got an Arab-American CIA agent who was studying Islam (probably trying to get a good idea of what an assassination attmept of "President" Bush by an Islamic fundamentalist might look like thrown off a plane. Profiling is what got a Pakistani doctor living in the States strangled and almost killed by a victim of a drunk driver. Profiling is what has led to numerous Sikhs, who have NOTHING in common with Islam except for the headgear assaulted, ahrrased, and in one case in Canada, even mudered! Profiling is when I was a teenager, cops would just wait for me to do somehting wrong because I was wearing a hooded sweatshirt. 'Scuse me Pigs, but it was FUDGING SNOWING! What did you want me to wear? Plus I was listening to a Stevie Nicks album, on a bench in front of the library waiting for it to open so I could return a book that was too big to fit in the return slot. Wasn't there a robbery you could be out solving?
Sorry, I got off on a bit of a rant there. The point is, why single out Muslims who display their faith, when the terrorists did all they could to NOT LOOK LIKE MUSLIMS!?! I'll grant you, checking out a guy with a metal hip is really stupid, but so is making people take off their sandals in airports. My question, where the hell would I hide a bomb in a pair of thong sandals? Idiots. Plus, does anybody think the terrorists going to try to use airplanes again? No. These guys are dangerous beccause they're smart, and smart people don't use the same thing twice. In fatc I imagine that after 9/11 an airplane is about the safest place to be in Ameirca these days.
In that respect, even if Racial profiling were in place, those 19 killers would've still gotten on the planes. I want you to think about that before you start rattling on about how racism works. As a matter of fact, find the next Black man you see, and ask if he thinks Profiling is a good thing. Or ask my young friend Quincy who was pulled over for driving an expensive car while black. If the cops had done their jobs they would know that 1) the car WASN'T stolen, it was his Dad's and he let Quince borrow it for a date, and 2) Quincy has no criminal record whatsoever. Ask that black family in New Jersey who were returnign from vacation in South Carolina, only to have the Highway patrol tear their clothes, tires, and electronic equipment (Pagers, Game Boys, etc.) torn apart by drug snifing dogs who, even after hours of sniffing, didn't find a gosh darned thing, and the cops left, leaving this family of six stranded by the Turnpike. But I guess letting dozens of innocents African and Arba-Americans suffer is a small price to pay for the illusion of security right Kaleb? | kaleb777
| | #15 posted November 24, 2002 at 11:58am (EDT) |
The relevance is that you don't like it although it's true. You should be discussing the issue not whether or not the quiz makes you feel uncomfortable. | kaleb777
| | #16 posted November 24, 2002 at 12:24pm (EDT) |
Most of those examples are not profiling in the sense that security forces use key features for identification of suspects, and you know it. Profiling didn't cause most of those things you speak of. Ignorance did.
Singling out Muslims who display their faith is one way of identifying POSSIBLE terrorists. We all know that not every Muslim is a criminal. We don't know that they aren't. That's why we have to be careful and alert. If you were sitting outside my store wearing a hood I would wonder what you were doing too. It's not unreasonable for police to suspect people because of the way they look. Who seems more threatening to you, a 90 yo Middle Eastern blind woman in a wheelchair or a 25 year old white skin head with tattoos?
It's because Islamic terrorists DON'T display religious garb that security forces depend on racial characteristics and a person's country of origin to determine whether they are a possible threat. You're only giving more reasons why racial profiling is essential. If you're looking for terrorists from the Middle East who dress like you and I, the only identifiable characteristic you can go on IS their race.
You can hide a hell of a lot in sandals. Razor blades for one thing. Wouldn't you prefer everyone is checked thoroughly? You can guarantee if these precautions weren't in place the terrorists would try the same thing twice.
How old is your friend Quincy? What are the figures for black auto theft? There are a lot of factors that go into pulling someone over. What looks more suspicious, a single black man in his 50s driving a 2002 BMW or a car full of 18 year old white youths driving a 2002 BMW? I stop getting pulled over all the time every time I shave my beard.
If the drug dogs were that adamant that there were drugs in the car, there probably had been at one time. Drug dogs don't racially profile Brian. How often does the same thing happen to white people who don't run to the media about it? You're making out like no white people undergo similar searches, and that every time a black person is pulled over it's because they're black. People get pulled over all the time for no good reason. What was so terrible about pulling over your friend to check that his fathers' car wasn't stolen? Christ, if the police didn't do anything and the car was stolen you would be saying the police took no action because the car owner was black! | msgman
| | #17 posted November 24, 2002 at 4:52pm (EDT) |
The point is that these guys didn't look like extremists. You can't tell a person's politics by looking at them! Also, in other parts of the world, terrorists turn prejudices like this to their advantage by deliberately using people that *don't* fit the supposed "profile". For example, using teenage girls as suicide bombers in Israel, or people with nice middle-class English accents as IRA bombers in the UK.
Profiling has its place, but the idea that terrorists are easily spotted is a myth. And, like many myths, it can actually do more harm than good if it either causes people to be unnecessarily concerned about certain individuals or dangeraously unconcerned about others. | Frostbrand
| | #18 posted November 25, 2002 at 10:33pm (EDT) |
Oh, so there MUST have been drugs in the Black family's car? Christ could you sound any more White? As for razorblades in thong sandles, do you even know what those sandals LOOK LIKE?!? You can't hide crap in those things! Quincy was 17 BTW. And no I wouldn't say that becuase it wouldn't happen like that. Racism in American police departemtns is very well documented. And let's talk about dogs. Generally, you are right, but then again, how were those dogs trained? If the trainer hated Black people, it's not unreasonable that the dog would come to hate anyone whose skin tone appeared different than it's master, and while dog's are color blind, they can still tell the difference between light skin and dark skin. There was actually a story a few months ago about dogs trained by racists constantly harrassing Blacks! I think it was in the New York Times. Racial profiling is wrong. Attitude profiling on the other hand is perfetcly fine. A kid reading a Michael Criton novel and lsitening to Stevie Nicks on a boombox is not the most likely suspect for library theft, would you agree? Too bad the cops didn't see it that way. A young Black male driving his Dad's car and obeying all traffic laws while trying to decide how to say "Hello" to his date isn't likely to go on a murder spree either. But tell that to the cops. Meanwhile, some fudging jag-offs hang around my neighborhood, shooting guns into the air, and yelling racial epithets at all non-Hispanics (especially Blacks and Whites), and the cops tell us not to worry? I stand by the rap song. Fudge Tha Police! And fudge Racial Profiling. After all, accoridng to racial profiling YOUR people, Aussies, should be searhced for knives all the time (something I overheard a police officer say once was "Don't go to Australia! The minute you get off the plane the natives will start a fight over who gets to stab you first."). | cody
| | #19 posted November 26, 2002 at 2:45pm (EDT) |
Well, I'm going to have to agree that (from your story), it sounds like your friend was harassed...
This is relatively unfortunate but there are proper procedures to take in such a situation, and it really isn't that big of a deal. At the very least he needed to call Internal Affairs or a lawyer; his dad, apparently, can afford the latter. To be honest, I suspect that there was some sort of misunderstanding-- the likelyhood of a police officer doing that strikes me as very low, though, I imagine such things do happen. In the current political climate surrounding the issue you'd assume he knew better...
I've dealt with police dogs before; if they respond, there is a 99.5% chance that there either are, or were, drugs present. | Frostbrand
| | #20 posted November 26, 2002 at 3:38pm (EDT) |
Thank you for understnading. Now let me address the rest of your post.
1, even the cops with clean records try to block IAB from doing their jobs. This whole Blue Wall crap. 2, ever hear of a term called DWB (Driving While Black)? Look it up, you'll see some crap that'll make you wanna scream "BULLCRAP BULLCRAP BULLCRAP!" at the top of your lungs non-stop for the next fifteen years. Of course Denver looks like Shangri-La next to the LAPD. 3, well, it was a USED car, so I'll grant you that (and I should've given that point to kaleb too, although at the time I was making the uncharitable assumption that he was just assuming that naturlaly a car owned by blacks would have had drugs in it at some point). However, THREE FUDGING HOURS? Geez, the cops even tore the tires apart (leaving the family stranded on the Turnpike as I said before), and found nothing after only ONE hour! You'd think at some point at least ONE cop would go, "Uh, guys if there was anything to find, we would've found it." | LindaH  
| | #21 posted November 26, 2002 at 3:40pm (EDT) |
Here, if the cops pull you over, there has to be a legitimate reason. Improper lane change, tail light out, expired tags, that sort of thing. They can't pull you over without giving you a reason why you are being stopped. If there are so many people driving around making minor traffic violations that they can't possibly stop them all, then they pick and choose who to pull over. They could decide based on race, based on the type of car, randomly, or any way they want just as long as the person did something to warrant the stop. And if you make an improper lane change or allow your tags to expire, you can't complain that they stopped you because you are black. They stopped you because you let your tags expire. | kaleb777
| | #22 posted November 30, 2002 at 11:28pm (EDT) |
I didn't say there MUST have been. I said dogs aren't racist. People who believe police should disregard how their dogs are acting towards blacks are racist because all people should be searched if dogs act in a way that indicates there is drug residue or drugs present, not just whites or just blacks. Give me a break about dogs becoming racist and pretending innocent black people have drugs because their handlers hate black people. In order to train a dog to single out blacks you would need black volunterrs to provoke the dog. Even then it's doubtful a dog would see the race of a person as the reason why they are provoking them. It's more likely to be a sex issue.
Personally I don't care if I am profiled to carry a knife and am searched for knives in the US. Pretty soon police would come to see the assumption is unfounded and would stop it. It's no big deal if I'm innocent of what I am being accused of. It's true knif attacks are more common here than gun attacks, but that's only because we have stricter gun control than you do. It's also a fact that civilians are more likely to get shot in the US, something everyone around the world knows. What's wrong with warning people of a truth like that? Is that racism? In my experience most if not all stereotypes have some basis in truth. People just don't make stereotypes up. They develop from experience. | kaleb777
| | #23 posted November 30, 2002 at 11:35pm (EDT) |
It's 2am. You're walking down a street carrying a bag with some important possesions in it. On one side of the street are 5 nuns repairing a church door that was just damaged by vandals. On the other side of the street are 5 Hispanic men in their 20s with tattoos standing talking. Which side of the road do you choose to walk down?
Everyone profiles. Why do people get so pissed off when the police do the same thing? | Frostbrand
| | #24 posted December 11, 2002 at 7:46pm (EDT) |
Seeing as I'm an Atheist with a strong disturst of the Catholic church, and since I grew up in a Hispanic neighborhhod, I'll take the Spics over the Child Molesters thank you.
| Frostbrand
| | #25 posted December 12, 2002 at 12:34am (EDT) |
Including stereotypes about all Jews being greedy, all Blacks being violent and stupid barabrians, and all Gays liking little boys? Choose your words carefully. |
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