Ok... Please explain this health care bill that passed to me. Does this mean everyone will get insurance? Please explain it to me as if you were speaking to a child. I don't need fancy terms, opinions, and other mumbo jumbo... Just please explain it to me! Thank you!!
It doesn't mean anything yet. The bill that just passed was only passed in the House. The Senate still has to pass their bill, and then the House bill and the Senate bill have to be merged together, and voted on by Congress again, and then signed by Obama. (The last part is the only easy part in the process.)
We don't know exactly what the final healthcare plan will look like yet, if it actually passes and becomes law, but it's likely that it won't actually give absolutely everyone insurance. The key part that will expand coverage to more people is the so-called public option, which (as I understand it!) will be an insurance program run by the government (instead of being run by a private company like UnitedHealthCare or Aetna or Kaiser). People without insurance through their jobs will be able to buy insurance through this plan. (The old, private plans will all still be around, too, though.) I don't know if it will be open to anyone without insurance, and it will still cost something, I think. But there will be government subsidies for people to buy into this public option, and I think there will also be government subsidies to help out other people who have insurance through their employers, so that they are paying less as well. It's really all pretty confusing, and it's difficult to keep straight what parts actually made it into the House bill!
It means people who have good insurance will be fudgeed. And it will leave 51 million people without insurance. And they will be fined or put in jail if they don't buy it. And older people like me will likely die because they will ration healthcare and evaluate people as to their worth to society.
Amazing that that butt-hole shoved this thing through that over half the country did not want.
Hopefully the Senate will come to their senses and tear it apart.
I think no one really knows because no one has yet read the bill, including all the people who voted for it. Assuming it passed the Senate and is signed by the President and becomes a law, I think it'll be years before all the ramifications are figured out. No doubt several court cases will be required as well. Nothing that complex is understood quickly or easily.
Everything I see across the news websites (and not just Foxnews) says the bill is DOA on arrival at the Senate. They will never pass this bullcrap bill as written.
LindaH wrote: > "And they will be fined or put in jail if they
> don't buy it."
>
> Somehow I don't think this would be enforceable.
> Would jobless people be expected to buy it?
Obama would call in his thugs from Chicago to beat everyone into submission. States are already letting people out of jails early because of overcrowding. Wait, I get it! This is a way to stimulate the economy by building new "healthcare" jails.
The government has NO legal authority under the Constitution to force anyone to buy healthcare.
And, shouldn't Obama be impeached for offering the lone Republican to vote for the plan financial incentives for his district in Louisiana?
To be honest, nobody knows what the bill will do. Because of unintended consequences (which happen in every piece of legislation, mind you), once they bill passes the government will have to pass more bills to compensate for the unintended consequences of this bill. And then they will have to make more laws to undo the untended consequences of the bill passed to solve the original unintended consequences, and so on.
Bottom line, this bill will cost taxpayers in exchange for having better healthcare. You either take the in the bad with the good, or you don't bother at all.
The Constitutio only allows the federal government authority in 17 areas. Healthcare, income taxes, and the thousand's of other laws enacted through-out history are not legal. Any state could if they wanted to challenge this healthcare nightmare, gun control and a multitud of other things. Obama is trying to grow the government without the legal basis to do so.
I'm with Texas, balking at a lot of these things. I hope Texas does secede from the United States so we would have a place to go to escape this tyranny.
"The Constitutio only allows the federal government authority in 17 areas. Healthcare, income taxes, and the thousand's of other laws enacted through-out history are not legal."
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. The Constitution allows for amendments to be passed, provided that 75% of Congress agrees with the change. Its there in black and white. And there was an amendment passed allowing for the federal income tax. Thats pretty much the law, and its settled.
Also, there's plenty of precedent for Congress to fund government programs like welfare, healthcare, etc. Again, thats the law, and thats that. Now, granted I don't agree with the healthcare bill that is about to pass, but its not illegal or unconstitutional. That argument won't get you very far.
southernyankee wrote: > "The Constitutio only allows the federal government
> authority in 17 areas. Healthcare, income taxes,
> and the thousand's of other laws enacted through-out
> history are not legal."
>
> Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. The Constitution
> allows for amendments to be passed, provided that
> 75% of Congress agrees with the change. Its there
> in black and white. And there was an amendment
> passed allowing for the federal income tax. Thats
> pretty much the law, and its settled.
>
> Also, there's plenty of precedent for Congress
> to fund government programs like welfare, healthcare,
> etc. Again, thats the law, and thats that.
> Now, granted I don't agree with the healthcare
> bill that is about to pass, but its not illegal
> or unconstitutional. That argument won't get
> you very far.
Yes, there are amendments, but 99% of the government increase in power has no relationship to legally established procedures. Any 'precedent' is due to people early on ignoring the overreach of the federal government's power. It has been sneaking up on us for many years and now Obama is going for the gold.
He'll never succeed. The people are fed up with him, and you young'uns who essentially elected that fool are going to pay the price if his healthcare bill gets passed without major revisions. It is set up so that the people under 30 pay much more in taxes and premiums than the elderly. Nice way for Obama to re-pay the young people who were so hyped up for "change".
"He'll never succeed. The people are fed up with him, and you young'uns who essentially elected that fool are going to pay the price if his healthcare bill gets passed without major revisions"
Thats the key phrase right there. Without major revisions. At some point, people will realize the impracticality of some of the bill's provisions (after the bill had been passed) and quietly pass another bill scaling back some of the previous provisions.
Same thing what happened to welfare, which Clinton (ironically a Democrat) scaled back, after realizing that too many people were talking advantage of it.
