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LindaH   
| | #1 posted April 15, 2007 at 6:36pm (EDT) |
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_... |
cabinfever
| | #2 posted April 15, 2007 at 6:44pm (EDT) |
With the dispcrepancies in the report, I'd have to say I'd be angry too. But the family should have responded to the notices. |
Amanda
| | #3 posted April 15, 2007 at 9:04pm (EDT) |
I'd be totally pissed. I don't see how they could go take the dog like that, either. Here, they've got to go through the cops to do stuff like that. They can't just go into someone's backyard because they had a report that something might be wrong. |
RGirl
| | #4 posted April 15, 2007 at 9:24pm (EDT) |
If there is suspicion of a dog being neglected or abused I say go ahead and go in. Perhaps they should have done more follow up but the people didn't respond to the notice. With that I don't think the owners have too solid of a reason to be upset. Both equally at fault. |
LindaH
| | #5 posted April 15, 2007 at 10:45pm (EDT) |
It says that she saw it hanging there and thought it was an ad. *shrug* In any case, I don't see why people should have to make the effort to prove their innocence by replying to notices. |
RGirl
| | #6 posted April 15, 2007 at 11:57pm (EDT) |
And what about the cases where the dog IS being abused and / or neglected? |
cabinfever
| #7 posted April 16, 2007 at 12:10am (EDT)
edited April 16, 2007 at 12:15am (EDT) |
They wouldn't have been proving their innocence, Linda... they would have been telling them that they had the wrong house and possibly point them in the right direction. And really, who in their right mind would see a legal notice and think it's a pizza ad? |
LindaH
| | #8 posted April 16, 2007 at 1:05am (EDT) |
Someone who saw it hanging there and didn't look at it, and just left it there. I'm not saying this is what happened, but I can see how it would make people think they hadn't been home. |
they 
| | #9 posted April 16, 2007 at 7:55am (EDT) |
The agency was acting in the best interest of the dog. They received a complaint, posted a notice, received no response... so they rescued a dog.
It's not like they stole the dog and put it down. The dog was safe, right?
I think people are always just looking for a reason to sue these days. If they were true dog lovers, I think they would understand the need for agencies to take action like this. |
cloudhugger
| | #10 posted April 16, 2007 at 8:28am (EDT) |
I ignore notices most of the time, because that's what pizza places do. Or lots of places do tactic ads. I going with Linda that legal notices really don't try that hard to be noticed. Just because people are stupid or ignorant doesn't mean they are abusive to the extent of intervention. If ads were not allowed to appear like legal notices (yes they do) for so many years, shocking people to open their (junk) mail, or thinking there was a ticket on their car, than we wouldn't be so blind to paper stuck on a door or a wall.
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Lahdee
| | #11 posted April 16, 2007 at 10:11am (EDT) |
What if the notice would have blown away in the wind? I know it didn't but what if? |
cloudhugger
| | #12 posted April 16, 2007 at 10:54am (EDT) |
hmmmmm... |
cloudhugger
| | #13 posted April 16, 2007 at 10:54am (EDT) |
Or some political ad and a pizza ad and a newspaper ad had been stuck next to it? |
they
| | #14 posted April 16, 2007 at 10:55am (EDT) |
In that case.... honest mistake.
Wouldn't you rather they be over cautious instead of letting the dog starve?
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LindaH
| | #15 posted April 16, 2007 at 11:45am (EDT) |
I wouldn't say it's a reason to sue, I just think it's a good reason to be irked. I wish I knew more about this. My first impression was that they really didn't do enough investigating. |
gazelda1
| | #16 posted April 16, 2007 at 1:13pm (EDT) |
I would be upset because they messed up, but I would also be understanding that they made a mistake and they were just trying to do their job. I am greatful that animal services is able to try to save and protect animals that should not be with the families they are with. If an animal is being neglected or abused they should be taken away from that person...however in this case the animal had no physical signs so they should have known better |
RGirl
| #17 posted April 17, 2007 at 12:52am (EDT)
edited April 17, 2007 at 12:54am (EDT) |
cloudhugger wrote:
> I ignore notices most of the time, because
> that's what pizza places do. Or lots of places
> do tactic ads. I going with Linda that legal
> notices really don't try that hard to be
> noticed. Just because people are stupid or
> ignorant doesn't mean they are abusive to
> the extent of intervention. If ads were not
> allowed to appear like legal notices (yes
> they do) for so many years, shocking people
> to open their (junk) mail, or thinking there
> was a ticket on their car, than we wouldn't
> be so blind to paper stuck on a door or a
> wall.
>
I have never run into a legal notice that looked like a pizza hut flyer or vice versa. |
LindaH
| | #18 posted April 17, 2007 at 1:30am (EDT) |
We sometimes get ad packs in a plastic bag hung on the door. I can see how someone who isn't paying attention can glance down at that and pay it no attention. |
cloudhugger
| | #19 posted April 17, 2007 at 1:41am (EDT) |
I said that the pizza ads, car sales and insurance blah blah blah appear as legal documents to get the consumers attention. |
cabinfever
| #20 posted April 17, 2007 at 2:15am (EDT)
edited April 17, 2007 at 2:15am (EDT) |
But then.... they glance at it and leave it? How lazy do you have to be not to toss that thing in the garbage (and possibly see it for what it was in the process)? And I'm with Pennyann... I've never seen a legal document that looks like any kind of ad. |
cloudhugger
| | #21 posted April 17, 2007 at 9:39am (EDT) |
I also have never seen a legal document that looks like any kind of ad. Don't know anyone who has. |
LindaH
| | #22 posted April 17, 2007 at 12:22pm (EDT) |
So what if they were lazy? That could have been what made people think they aren't home for a month. For all we know, it could have been mean-spirited neighbors phoning in false reports. |
RGirl
| | #23 posted April 17, 2007 at 6:29pm (EDT) |
Do you know anyone who lets those things add up? After awhile you wouldn't be able to turn your door nob. This reasoning comes to this- their laziness was why their dog got taken by the authorities. So, still their own fault. |
RGirl
| | #24 posted April 17, 2007 at 6:31pm (EDT) |
cloudhugger wrote:
> I also have never seen a legal document that
> looks like any kind of ad. Don't know anyone
> who has.
But you have seen ads that look like legal documents? |
LindaH
| | #25 posted April 17, 2007 at 6:43pm (EDT) |
pennyann wrote:
> Do you know anyone who lets those things add up?
> After awhile you wouldn't be able to turn your
> door nob. This reasoning comes to this- their
> laziness was why their dog got taken by the authorities.
> So, still their own fault.
That all depends on how hard the authorities tried contacting them. Did they call? No one is under any obligation to promptly answer to inquiries/investigations in order to show they are innocent. Innocent people should ba able to be as passive and lazy about it as they want. It's up to accusers and buttinskis to do all the work. |
RGirl
| | #26 posted April 17, 2007 at 9:06pm (EDT) |
So, I am harboring a fugitive say but it isn't my responsibility to turn him in to the cops. I'm too lazy and it's their problem not mine. They should be trying harder.
Is this the world you are talking about? |
RGirl
| | #27 posted April 17, 2007 at 9:08pm (EDT) |
No they shouldn't be lazy about it because it is an organization out to do good. In this case a mistake was made and the person is obligated to pay attention to crap hanging from their front door and notify them about the mistake. It is a social thing, a thing of the people and that includes everyone, innocent or no. |
LindaH
| | #28 posted April 17, 2007 at 9:42pm (EDT) |
So someone who is a hermit, keeps to themselves, does no harm is obligated to reply when they are being accused of something?
Harboring a fugitive? I'm talking about an innocent person. Someone who is doing no wrong. If are letting an innocent person squat at your house, and someone accuses you of harboring a fugitive (based on nothing concrete) then no, you are under no obligation to even show whether or not there's another person (even an innocent one) living in your house. It's up to the authorities to have concrete evidence that there's a fugitive in your house. |
southernyankee
| | #29 posted April 17, 2007 at 9:54pm (EDT) |
I would side with the city on this. Most legal documents tend to be plain black-and-white. Ads tend to be flashy and all colory. Since no harm no foul I don't see why they should be able to sue.
Although I wish cities would do a better job with notifications when a car gets towed. Now THATS a pain in the ass. |
they
| | #30 posted April 18, 2007 at 7:11am (EDT) |
LindaH wrote:
> So someone who is a hermit,
> keeps to themselves, does
> no harm is obligated to reply
> when they are being accused
> of something?
> Harboring a fugitive? I'm
> talking about an innocent
> person. Someone who is doing
> no wrong. If are letting an
> innocent person squat at your
> house, and someone accuses
> you of harboring a fugitive
> (based on nothing concrete)
> then no, you are under no
> obligation to even show whether
> or not there's another person
> (even an innocent one) living
> in your house. It's up to
> the authorities to have concrete
> evidence that there's a fugitive
> in your house.
I would say no one is obligated to reply.... but if you don't, then you set yourself up for possible mistakes. |
LindaH
| | #31 posted April 18, 2007 at 11:49am (EDT) |
That makes sense. |
cloudhugger
| | #32 posted April 19, 2007 at 2:07pm (EDT) |
Yes I have seen ads dressed like legal notices. when I see anything in my door, I rip it off and toss it without even looking at it. Does that make me lazy...or possibly efficient? |
LindaH
| | #33 posted April 19, 2007 at 2:50pm (EDT) |
Animal Care Services says it got a complaint and left notices on the Zepeda's door.
“My wife did see that paper upside down. She thought it was a pizza advertisement,” explained Zepeda.
See, it seems like they could have had absolutely no idea that complaints were made, or that anything at all was amiss. Notes left on a door seem like a pretty weak way to try and contact someone. I'd have probably ignored notes too. |
RGirl
| | #34 posted April 19, 2007 at 6:45pm (EDT) |
How do you suggest they contact the people?
I have never seen an ad that looked like anything other than an ad. |
LindaH
| | #35 posted April 19, 2007 at 8:11pm (EDT) |
They should vary the hours they visit. If they stop by during the day every day, it's going to look like they are never home. They should get police involved if they have a reason to believe there's criminal neglect. Police would interview neighbors, find out who the people are, try and call them, come over later at night, whatever. Expecting a response from a note on the door is kind of unreasonable. What if there's a back door? What if (hypothetically) they only enter through the garage? Of course they wouldn't see a note.
I've seen ads that look like bills. I've also seen doorknob ads packed in plastic, and you have to open it up and look inside to be able to tell what it is. What if they had recently gotten one of those? I can see them ignoring the notice then. |
cabinfever
| | #36 posted April 19, 2007 at 10:53pm (EDT) |
You are grasping at straws, Linda. The Animal Care Department certainly does not have the resources to send people over multiple times on different days. That is why a written legal notice is left. Besides, if they waited for three or four days more, then the animal could be dead. They did mess up taking a dog that obviously wasn't starving... but they did their job with the information they had. |
LindaH
| | #37 posted April 19, 2007 at 11:39pm (EDT) |
Then they should let the police do it. What did they have to go on? A neighbor's complaint? |
RGirl
| | #38 posted April 19, 2007 at 11:43pm (EDT) |
The police do not have time to do another department's job. That is why they have another department. Was the people who took the dog a government agency or a private agency? |
LindaH
| | #39 posted April 19, 2007 at 11:47pm (EDT) |
I don't know, but if the animal agency doesn't have the resources to make physical contact with the accused, something's wrong. A note on a door can float away in the wind, can get ignored, get picked up and thrown away by a nutty roomate... they need to be able to make contact with a person before taking action. How did they get info that the couple were away for a month? They come and take the dog, and here comes the couple, home from work(?) Something doesn't add up. |
RGirl
| | #40 posted April 20, 2007 at 2:46am (EDT) |
The dog was taken because the people didn't respond to the notice........period. |
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