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LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#1 posted March 14, 2013 at 10:29am (EDT)  
I noticed now that you reactivated surveys, it changes in statistics. Are these one that get new comments? I have 10 active surveys, but a bronze star. I see no ads. Is there a way I can find out when I will begin to see ads again? Not that I want to see ads, but I want to keep up with making surveys so I don't see them.

I'm groggy, so I don't know if I made sense.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#2 posted March 14, 2013 at 11:16am (EDT)  
> Are these one that get new comments?

Yes, I think so. A new comment on an inactive survey will cause it to get reactivated (not immediately, but the next morning).

> I have 10 active surveys, but a bronze star. I see no ads.

That seems like a possible bug. I should look into that. Either you should have a silver star or ads, in my opinion. But, I forget how it all is suppose to work.

> Is there a way I can find out when I will begin to see ads again?

I don't see a way for it to be predicted. It seems like anyone at any time could randomly comment on an inactive survey you have and thus give you +1 active surveys. And, if that is done enough and regularly, you could float above the limit needed to lose ads indefinitely.

Actually, this seems like a loophope since you could post to your own inactive surveys yourself on a regular basis just to keep your number of active surveys about the limit needed to disable ads.

Hm... I'll have to think about this more.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#3 posted March 14, 2013 at 12:17pm (EDT)  
Or. There are subscriptions.
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#4 posted March 14, 2013 at 1:41pm (EDT)  
Hmm, now there's a good one for 'would you rather' thread... Would you rather spend money or exploit a loophole?

*snicker*
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#5 posted March 14, 2013 at 5:24pm (EDT)  
Exploit the loophole! Just like doing taxes man! Beer
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#6 posted March 15, 2013 at 8:16am (EDT)  
LindaH wrote:
> I see no ads.

So, I was looking into this and the code seems to be trying to show you ads. So, I signed on as you to see and I saw ads.

Are you seeing ads now? Was it just yesterday you weren't?

Maybe you're using an ad blocker?


The number of surveys needed to get a star is only based on the last 60 days (since survey creation). So, as far as I can tell, having older survey reactivated by a new comment, doesn't affect your star or whether you see ads on the site (if you have a silver star or above).

So, it seems there isn't really an issue here for stars/ads.

The stats page is a little odd with older surveys now being counted as active. But, that seems fairly harmless.
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#7 posted March 15, 2013 at 9:41am (EDT)  
No, I don't see ads. Maybe I have an ad blocker or something. I don't know.
they Survey Central Subscriber
#8 posted April 6, 2013 at 1:07pm (EDT)  
So I have 'Just New' and 'Inactive New' as selectors. Do the inactive new surveys now appear in Just New? I might need to change my selectors.
they Survey Central Subscriber
#9 posted April 6, 2013 at 1:14pm (EDT)  
This has probably been asked, but if I rate an inactive survey, does it count?

After it is reactivated by me, do the subsequent ratings count?
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#10 posted April 7, 2013 at 6:34am (EDT)
edited April 7, 2013 at 6:43am (EDT)  
they wrote:
> Do the inactive new surveys now appear in Just New?

Yes.

With the change that causes inactive surveys to be made active again if they get a new comment, there should be no need to use the "Inactive New" survey selector.

That selector is quite slow and thus puts undue load on the system. So, I'd prefer it if people would stop using it since it could cause problems. Not so much for you because it's slow but it ties up other shared resources and thus can cause other users of all my website to have to wait until your Inactive New is done.

Note that there will be a slight delay before you see these inactive surveys appear under Just New (or What's New). They are made active again the next morning. So, if someone posts a new comment in an inactive survey at 10am, it wont show up on everyone's Just New selector until around 5:30am the next day (US/Eastern time). Basically a little program runs every morning to does daily maintenance on the site and that's when it sees the new comment and changes the inactive survey to be active again.


> This has probably been asked, but if I rate an inactive survey, does it count?

Yes.

> After it is reactivated by me, do the subsequent ratings count?

Yes, whether a survey is active or not doesn't affect the ability to rate a survey. You can rate anytime and it will be counted.

I think the only effect active/inactive has is whether it's seen by "..New" survey selectors.

In the past, I think inactive surveys could not be voted on (and/or rated?), but that was changed to be allowed. That was many years ago.
they Survey Central Subscriber
#11 posted April 12, 2013 at 11:00pm (EDT)  
Thanks for answering. Sorry I haven't been back to reply.

I don't want to burden the system but I am interested in visiting inactive surveys that I have not answered occasionally. What is the best selector for that?

bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#12 posted April 13, 2013 at 10:21am (EDT)  
Hm. I see what you mean. I'm not sure if there is a good selector for that (apart from Inactive New, which is slow). I tried Inactive, which I think also works, but it's also fairly slow.

Let me look into it more. I may even be able to create a new selector that's best for that if I can't find one.

I actually have a similar situation because I didn't use SC for a period of time many years ago and there were a lot of surveys I missed then.
they Survey Central Subscriber
#13 posted April 13, 2013 at 11:32am (EDT)  
I find surveys I've already answered in both Inactive and Inactive New. Shouldn't Inactive New only be surveys I haven't answered?

What if there was a selector for inactive, higher rated surveys that haven't been answered? Since it's only the higher rated ones, perhaps it would pull less surveys and cause less problems?
they Survey Central Subscriber
#14 posted April 13, 2013 at 11:40am (EDT)  
I just noticed that when I'm in Inactive New, I can see the name of the creator on the list of surveys even if I have not taken the survey.

bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#15 posted April 13, 2013 at 1:19pm (EDT)  
I think * New selectors find both surveys you've never answered and surveys that have new comments since you last viewed them. The latter is what makes the selector slow (checking each to see if your last view is older than the latest comment x 10,000 take several seconds). If I had a selector that only looked at surveys you never answered, that should be a lot faster (I think). I'm not sure if there is one already, but I didn't seem to find one when I looked. It may not be easy to create one either, but I can look into it. I haven't looked at that code for many years. Higher rated wouldn't be hard to add and it is fairly fast.

That's interesting about seeing the creator. Maybe because the survey isn't active it does that? Maybe that's left over from when you couldn't even vote on them. I could make it stop doing that too.

bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#16 posted April 16, 2013 at 3:57pm (EDT)  
OK, I made some changes.

o I think it will no longer show you the creator of a survey if it's inactive.

o I added a new survey selector "Unanswered" ( http://surveycentral.org/SurveySelector/54.html ) which shows just surveys you have not responded to and it's optimized to be fast (hopefully).

o I also made a change deep in the mechanics of survey list displays which is a bit scary, but I think it's more correct this way. There had been a case where it handle inactive surveys oddly for no reason (as far as I could tell). One effect (maybe the only) is that now if you look at "Inactive New" (which I still don't really recommend because it's quite slow), the display will now mix unanswered surveys at the top and answered surveys with new comments at the bottom. This is something "What's New" does, thus it's more consistent in a way. Probably no one will even notice this, which is fine by me.
Strider Survey Central Gold Subscriber Survey Qualifier
#17 posted April 16, 2013 at 8:12pm (EDT)  
holy cow I just clicked on the link for the unanswered survey selector and it gave me a list with 3179 surveys in it
they Survey Central Subscriber
#18 posted April 16, 2013 at 11:00pm (EDT)  
This is great! Thanks. smile
they Survey Central Subscriber
#19 posted April 16, 2013 at 11:01pm (EDT)  
Strider, I have 6185!!
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#20 posted April 17, 2013 at 8:20am (EDT)  
6,244 for me!

FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#21 posted April 17, 2013 at 9:14am (EDT)
edited April 18, 2013 at 10:30am (EDT)  
I win. Surveys - (55.3% ave rating) - 1 to 50 of 13,257 - Next 50
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#22 posted April 17, 2013 at 10:08am (EDT)  
OK, but my "ave rating" is 55.9% so I think that counts for something too.

I really should put a comma in that "of" number.
cerealkiller Survey Qualifier
#23 posted April 17, 2013 at 7:33pm (EDT)  
Surveys - (54.7% ave rating) - 1 to 50 of 11,681

Mine has a comma.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#24 posted April 18, 2013 at 10:30am (EDT)  
Mine has a comma now.
cloudhugger
#25 posted April 25, 2013 at 12:43am (EDT)  
17,904
Wow,
YAY!
Excellent change bill, I love this!
Lysannus
#26 posted April 25, 2013 at 4:38am (EDT)  
24,510 wow.
Of course between LindaH and Biggles they will help reduce this number wink
Love ya both smile
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#27 posted April 25, 2013 at 8:04am (EDT)  
I guess you get a Beer Lysannus! smile
Lysannus
#28 posted April 26, 2013 at 4:23am (EDT)  
You deliver or do I need to go pick it up. wink
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#29 posted April 26, 2013 at 9:33am (EDT)  
We can meet in the middle at a fine beer serving establishment. I'll bring Bill's credit card.
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#30 posted April 26, 2013 at 12:57pm (EDT)  
I just got some beer. If you visit me very soon there may be some left when you get here.
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#31 posted April 29, 2013 at 8:53am (EDT)  
I suppose it's all gone by now.... poker face
bill Survey Central Gold Subscriber
#32 posted April 29, 2013 at 12:23pm (EDT)  
*burp emoticon*
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#33 posted April 29, 2013 at 3:07pm (EDT)  
Right before I clicked on this thread, I burped. And then I saw that. *amused emoticon*
FordGuy Bronze Star Survey Creator Survey Qualifier
#34 posted April 30, 2013 at 8:03am (EDT)  
*now I'm thirsty emoticon*