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LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#1 posted February 21, 2017 at 8:28pm (EST)  
What is the real, tangible, logical problem (measurable) with immigrants being here illegally (without documentation). Besides the fact it is illegal, what are the negative effects? Don't bring up crimes. I'm talking about people who are law abiding, BESIDES the fact they have no papers. I'm basically wondering why it is such a major whopping deal. Of all things people do illegally, why that's this major issue. I'm genuinely curious.
FordGuy
#2 posted February 23, 2017 at 8:04am (EST)  
They don't pay taxes, yet use the systems funded by taxes. They take jobs from people that are here legally. If they want to live and work here, why not just become legal? Because there's more money in being illegal. It wouldn't bug me as much if they weren't taking advantage of and using the benefits our government offers it's legal citizens. Plainly, it's the governments fault... I mean it seems easy to me that if you cannot prove your citizenship, you get no aid. But then people say, "Oh this poor family is starving to death, we have to help them." No we don't. They can go back home or become legal. But they won't because we offer a free ride. I have no problem with immigration, I just have a problem with being taken advantage of. Not sure if that helps, but I tried! Beer
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#3 posted February 23, 2017 at 9:30am (EST)  
Is there a major difference between being on welfare while illegal vs legal? Or a difference between having a 'cash under the table' or room and board job while legal, vs illegal? Does it matter that someone has no documentation if they are at home, (no job or welfare) and supported by their (legal) family?
cerealkiller
#4 posted February 23, 2017 at 6:19pm (EST)  
It costs $25 billion a year to pay for illegals in California alone. It is a big deal.
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#5 posted February 23, 2017 at 6:22pm (EST)  
That much for what? Welfare?
cerealkiller
#6 posted February 23, 2017 at 6:24pm (EST)  
Everything they get free. Food, healthcare, education, etc
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#7 posted February 23, 2017 at 7:21pm (EST)  
Well, it seems FordGuy's suggestion would work. No papers - no aid. I think that would be easier than trying to round up and deport them all. The ones who aren't receiving aid could stay. I don't see why not.
Lysannus
#8 posted February 27, 2017 at 5:53am (EST)  
LindaH wrote:
> The ones who aren't receiving aid could stay. I don't see why not.

Ok but how will they feed themselves, where is the money coming from?
If they are working at a job (incidentally not paying taxes because they are illegal) that job could pay them less and would not need to offer them company funded health care as they are illegal. The company will make out like a bandit, while the legal citizen is laid off in lieu of the much cheaper laborer. So now multiple that by not just one employer but 1000's all hiring the illegals and laying off the legal citizens. Illegals are not paying taxes so that much less money would be coming in to fund all the government programs. Eventually taxes would have to spiral out of control to maintain the current system or more money would have to be created thus devaluating the currency even more making normal items cost more (hyper-inflation). No taxes coming in means no way to pay police or military (cut jobs here to save costs, can't expect the bureaucrats to take a pay cut). No way to maintain roads (no one will be able to afford a car or the gas for it so don't need roads). No way to continue to support public schools (since no citizens are working why would they need an education just the basics only). Eventually the system would collapse and lead to revolution/civil war.
they Survey Central Subscriber Bronze Star Survey Creator
#9 posted February 27, 2017 at 1:44pm (EST)  
When I lived in rural NC, illegal Mexicans were brought into the area during harvest times. If not for those illegal Mexicans, the work would not have been done. The local population was small, and no one wanted those crapty jobs. Also, paying legal wages would probably have put many small-time family farmers out of business.

Aren't you a farmer Lysannus? Do you require human laborers to harvest?

No arguments here - I'm curious just like Linda... and just adding a little spice to the conversation.
Lysannus
#10 posted February 28, 2017 at 7:02am (EST)  
they wrote:
> Aren't you a farmer Lysannus? Do you require human laborers to harvest?

Yes was a farmer, now just haying fields. Nope haying is done by machine and before other crops were also harvested by machine.
Never planted stuff that required manually picking (other than for personal use).
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#11 posted February 28, 2017 at 4:25pm (EST)  
Is hiring illegals much different from paying a legal citizen cash 'under the table'?
JessicaWoman99
#12 posted March 2, 2017 at 2:05pm (EST)  
This site is being hacked
LindaH Bronze Star Survey Creator
#13 posted March 2, 2017 at 6:33pm (EST)  
Russian hackers are influencing survey results?
Lysannus
#14 posted March 3, 2017 at 9:21am (EST)  
LindaH wrote:
> Russian hackers are influencing survey results?

They must really be board out of their skulls, much more lucrative sites to hack. (albeit not as funsmile )
jettles Survey Central Subscriber
#15 posted March 7, 2017 at 6:17am (EST)  
So if the Russians are here illegally and "picking" our thoughts for less money than American hackers are they worse than American hackers? Do they cost us in any other way? Is the cost of an election worse due to Russian hackers or American hackers? wink
JessicaWoman99
#16 posted March 10, 2017 at 2:10pm (EST)  
And Trump is Tweeting back to the Russians
southernyankee
#17 posted March 25, 2017 at 6:50pm (EST)  
Illegal immigrants tend to (on average) be poorer and less educated than either legal immigrants and people already in the country. Too many poor / uneducated people in any one country or state (outsiders or not) is never good. Kinda like that South Park episode where they got rid of all the homeless people and move them to California. I mean if the situation was reversed and all the people in trailerparks and US ghettos went to Canada I doubt that the Canadians would be very happy about it.

In fairness, illegals who work illegally do pay taxes. A lot of times they use illegal social security numbers to "fool" their employers and still file for and pay taxes like everyone else. Also, fun fact. Drug dealers oftentimes also pay taxes, usually by laundering money into legitimate businesses. Because they may be street thugs and murderers, but they're not crazy; they know better than to fudge with the IRS.