How much money are you carrying on you right now?

Rating Total Female Male Unspecified Average Age
Good 11 6 5 0 38.6
Bad 5 4 1 0 29.8
No Opinion 41 22 19 0 40.3

Rating	Total	Female	Male	Average Age
Good	11	6	5	38.6
Bad	5	4	1	29.8
No Opinion	41	22	19	40.3

Qualifiers:
User Vote Comment
smurf reasonable
posted 10-Mar-2001 12:50am

HareKrishna reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 4:54pm

Pooh_Bear reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 4:17pm
You just need to explain your reasoning and I'll change my vote. I still like options (as a rule), but that's my preference. I also understand and respect why you want to do a survey a certain way.
Zang nitpick
posted 9-Mar-2001 3:59pm
You might specify whether you mean "on your person" or "in your wallet, purse etc." I know that the question seems to specify the former, but you will probably get a lot of "none" answers from people who don't carry their money around the house.

BTW, I couldn't be bothered to read all that stuff below, but there sure seems to be a lot of it for such a simple survey.
ASB N/A
posted 9-Mar-2001 3:43pm
Bill,
You seem to be having too much fun here lol
ASB old
posted 9-Mar-2001 3:28pm
Romkey,
I am working on toning that harshness down a bit and I think I have toned it down somewhat already. Thanks for the imput though.
ASB
ASB old
posted 9-Mar-2001 3:27pm
Sure I think Romkey is looking at all points and stating his opinion as he sees it. It seems pretty accurate. I can't help it if people around here are followers and not leaders. It seems that if one person sees a mistake the others agree when they would have just let it go and not spoke up and said something about it. Maybe they are not followers maybe they are afraid to say something first so they let me do it for them...then they are not the bad guy I am....See Other people put me in the position to be the bad guy!!!! It is not my fault at all. But you know what? I don't really care what people think of me. My husbands opinion of me is the only one that matters to me. BTW I am having fun with all these comments. anyone else??
bill N/A
posted 9-Mar-2001 2:08pm
ASB, do you have any response to what romkey said?
darkshadowsseeker N/A
posted 9-Mar-2001 2:05pm
ASB I am not brown-nosing. I just thought Bill made a good point. I would have changed my vote even if I did not know who it was.
ASB old
posted 9-Mar-2001 1:41pm
You people are all brown nosers
darkshadowsseeker old
posted 9-Mar-2001 12:43pm
Bill-I appreciate your explanation as to why this is an essay question. Sounds reasonable to me.
dab reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 11:48am

Strider reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 11:36am

lara reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 10:29am

romkey reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 9:05am
ASB: that may be because you're not voting on your own surveys. I find you to be among the harshest survey qualifiers. You often vote extremeley harshly on surveys - using Hopelessly Flawed and then listing things that need to be fixed (in what way is that survey then hopelessly flawed), picking on extremely minor details that detract from neither the meaning nor the quality of the survey. I've also seen at least one survey where you voted Needs Work requiring the survey creator to make a change, and then again later requiring them to undo the work they'd just done. On the other hand, you've also had a lot of comments that have really improved the quality of a lot of surveys, but I think your attitudes during qualification are often damaging as well.
msgman reasonable
posted 9-Mar-2001 7:38am
This has given me an idea.....
ASB old
posted 9-Mar-2001 7:26am
Bill,
I rarely have problems getting a survey of my own through qualification. Most of them time that I create a survey It goes right through with no needs work votes. I did have one survey that I had problems getting qualified (Marriage or Wedding ring?) but I was persistant and found out what people thought was wrong with it. It was a little frustrating. But for the most part I do not have problems getting surveys through qualification. I think if people conformed more to the norm of what people expect out of a survey that their surveys would get 5 reasonable votes right away. I don't like that you signed the comment. I should not vote good on your survey just because I happen to like and respect you. The same could be said about other authors that I dislike. If I knew that they were the author of a survey I should not vote bad just because I don't like them. I don't think all essay questions are bad. I think that questions that you could not possibly list enough good options for should be made into essay questions. I think that many people make questions essay questions becaue they are to lazy to think up a decent set of options. Oh well I will refrain from voting on this survey I am voting it bad because I think it would be much improved with options. I will not vote it needs work though because I feel some bias since I know the creator.
lara old
posted 9-Mar-2001 6:53am
oops, forgot to vote.
lara old
posted 9-Mar-2001 6:48am
I wasn't convinced that the first comment was really yours, Bill. But this latest one definitely sounds like you.

The qualification process is frustrating. It kept me from making surveys for a long time. Sometimes I'm tempted to just vote "reasonable" on all new surveys, even if they're really awful.

bill old
posted 9-Mar-2001 6:15am
Yes, it was sneaky of me to sign my comment. I did that because I thought it would get people to be less hostile to me as the survey author, and I think it worked. Too bad every survey author can't do that (hmm... maybe they can).

I continue to be unhappy with the way surveys like this get attacked in qualification. It's my survey, so I guess it's hard to be unbiased, but I just don't think this survey is broken. I'm also kind of annoyed that I have to explain why it's valid to people. When I came here just now, I was considering just deleting it because it just didn't seem worth the struggle to get it released.

Is this a good atmosphere for survey authors? I know that I'm often frustrated and annoyed with the reaction from qualification to my surveys. I think this may be because I try to create unusual surveys when qualifiers tend to be responding to surveys with a standard script of what is good/bad in a survey. That is, the community here has developed unwritten rules or norms like "essay questions are bad", "you must capitalize the first letter of every option", and "you must include an 'other' option".

Qualifiers seem to run through their norms checklists and block a survey that doesn't conform. While these norms might be good rules of thumb, I wonder if forcing adherence to them isn't stagnating things here a bit. Though, I'll admit that this survey is hardly worthy of an exception - it's not that great frankly. So, maybe my whole argument here is weak because the survey itself is nothing special. I believe that a truly abnormal but great survey would be qualified. It's just ones like this, abnormal and so-so, that are in question.

Also, it's fair to say that I'm not using the site that much at the moment so I don't have a good understanding of what it's like to be a user here at the moment. Perhaps there have been lots of annoying essay questions recently and this is a reaction in some sense to that.

I get the impression that there are certain sets of users who tend to vote needs_work on surveys, and other sets of users who tend to vote reasonable on those same surveys to counteract the first set of qualifiers. Am I right about that? Is it sort of like the supreme court with the conservative judges against the liberals? voting in patterns.

Another thing I noticed is that it used to be that one or two users would hold up surveys in qualification, then I changed the rules so that a single user could not hold up a survey. Now, there are groups of users who hold up surveys. It's like people compensated for the rules change. Is this an indication that I should stop trying to make things they way I think they should be. People here want things this way and they will compensate to make it so if I change things.

Qualification is great when it holds up surveys with gross errors or problems, I don't think anyone is unhappy with that. But when it holds up surveys like this, that are essentially fine (IMHO)- I wonder.

I don't think that me asking you all to be more accepting of surveys is the solution. You're all entitled to your opinions and I think it's good that your opinions have the power to mediate the release of surveys. But... I still think things aren't quite right because my personal experience trying to create surveys is frustrating and if that's common, I don't think that's good for the site.

...that said, I think lara's suggestion of "what's in your pockets?" would actually be a better survey than this and I'm tempted to delete or change this one and just do that one instead.
romkey old
posted 9-Mar-2001 1:43am
but bill, shame on you!!
romkey old
posted 9-Mar-2001 1:03am
ASB: at least you didn't vote this one hopelessly flawed just because you didn't like it.
smurf old
posted 9-Mar-2001 12:25am

darkshadowsseeker old
posted 9-Mar-2001 12:03am

ASB old
posted 8-Mar-2001 10:42pm
Bill,
Now you have done it. I feel obligated to change my vote because it is your survey. But I feel that would be prejudice to other survey creators. I hate essay questions. I don't answer most of them. This is why I feel you should add options. decisions decisions..... I think I'll sleep on it.

ASB
HareKrishna old
posted 8-Mar-2001 10:02pm
I agree with ASexyBabe
spidertea old
posted 8-Mar-2001 8:34pm

lara old
posted 8-Mar-2001 3:37pm
I don't usually like essay surveys, but now that you've explained your reasons I'm curious. I'd also like to know what else people have in their pockets.

BTW, it's almost 4 in the afternoon and I am not carrying any money because I haven't left the house today. I've got a cold, and my pockets are full of tissues.
bill old
posted 8-Mar-2001 3:21pm
I considered adding options but I decided to just do it as an essay survey. If I did options, I'd have to give ranges, but I'm actually more interested in knowing what the exact individual amounts are. I also think that forcing non-US users to convert to US$ is a little rude. I'm not really interested in knowing about credit cards or checks, I feel that's a different question.

Kate - that's exactly the kind of answer I'd like to see and that's why I'd like to do it as an essay question, to motivate people to write a sentence which describes how much money they are carrying.

I'd like to just do this survey as a straight essay survey. I know essay surveys are frowned upon, but I hope you 3 will reconsider and let me try it as is.

Thanks,
-=bill
ASB old
posted 8-Mar-2001 12:07pm
Needs options for dollar amounts also you should include a currency converter and specify in US dollars. There should be an option For I do not carry cash I carry credit cards visa check cards bank card. Here is a good currency converter. http://www.xe.com/ucc/
darkshadowsseeker old
posted 8-Mar-2001 10:53am
What Pooh_Bear said. It is 7 a.m. and I am in my nightie with no place to carry money.
Pooh_Bear old
posted 8-Mar-2001 10:31am
How about options? $.00 - $.99, $1.00-$1.99, $2.00 - $4.99 or None, enough to get home, enough to buy lunch, etc.

Last	Type	Created	Category	Creator	Sort	Votes	Hides	Rating
Last	essay	9-Mar-2001	personal attributes	bill	unsorted	64	12	55.3%

User	Vote	Comment
smurf	reasonable	posted 10-Mar-2001 12:50am
HareKrishna	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 4:54pm
Pooh_Bear	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 4:17pm You just need to explain your reasoning and I'll change my vote. I still like options (as a rule), but that's my preference. I also understand and respect why you want to do a survey a certain way.
Zang	nitpick	posted 9-Mar-2001 3:59pm You might specify whether you mean "on your person" or "in your wallet, purse etc." I know that the question seems to specify the former, but you will probably get a lot of "none" answers from people who don't carry their money around the house. BTW, I couldn't be bothered to read all that stuff below, but there sure seems to be a lot of it for such a simple survey.
ASB	N/A	posted 9-Mar-2001 3:43pm Bill, You seem to be having too much fun here lol
ASB	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 3:28pm Romkey, I am working on toning that harshness down a bit and I think I have toned it down somewhat already. Thanks for the imput though. ASB
ASB	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 3:27pm Sure I think Romkey is looking at all points and stating his opinion as he sees it. It seems pretty accurate. I can't help it if people around here are followers and not leaders. It seems that if one person sees a mistake the others agree when they would have just let it go and not spoke up and said something about it. Maybe they are not followers maybe they are afraid to say something first so they let me do it for them...then they are not the bad guy I am....See Other people put me in the position to be the bad guy!!!! It is not my fault at all. But you know what? I don't really care what people think of me. My husbands opinion of me is the only one that matters to me. BTW I am having fun with all these comments. anyone else??
bill	N/A	posted 9-Mar-2001 2:08pm ASB, do you have any response to what romkey said?
darkshadowsseeker	N/A	posted 9-Mar-2001 2:05pm ASB I am not brown-nosing. I just thought Bill made a good point. I would have changed my vote even if I did not know who it was.
ASB	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 1:41pm You people are all brown nosers
darkshadowsseeker	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 12:43pm Bill-I appreciate your explanation as to why this is an essay question. Sounds reasonable to me.
dab	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 11:48am
Strider	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 11:36am
lara	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 10:29am
romkey	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 9:05am ASB: that may be because you're not voting on your own surveys. I find you to be among the harshest survey qualifiers. You often vote extremeley harshly on surveys - using Hopelessly Flawed and then listing things that need to be fixed (in what way is that survey then hopelessly flawed), picking on extremely minor details that detract from neither the meaning nor the quality of the survey. I've also seen at least one survey where you voted Needs Work requiring the survey creator to make a change, and then again later requiring them to undo the work they'd just done. On the other hand, you've also had a lot of comments that have really improved the quality of a lot of surveys, but I think your attitudes during qualification are often damaging as well.
msgman	reasonable	posted 9-Mar-2001 7:38am This has given me an idea.....
ASB	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 7:26am Bill, I rarely have problems getting a survey of my own through qualification. Most of them time that I create a survey It goes right through with no needs work votes. I did have one survey that I had problems getting qualified (Marriage or Wedding ring?) but I was persistant and found out what people thought was wrong with it. It was a little frustrating. But for the most part I do not have problems getting surveys through qualification. I think if people conformed more to the norm of what people expect out of a survey that their surveys would get 5 reasonable votes right away. I don't like that you signed the comment. I should not vote good on your survey just because I happen to like and respect you. The same could be said about other authors that I dislike. If I knew that they were the author of a survey I should not vote bad just because I don't like them. I don't think all essay questions are bad. I think that questions that you could not possibly list enough good options for should be made into essay questions. I think that many people make questions essay questions becaue they are to lazy to think up a decent set of options. Oh well I will refrain from voting on this survey I am voting it bad because I think it would be much improved with options. I will not vote it needs work though because I feel some bias since I know the creator.
lara	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 6:53am oops, forgot to vote.
lara	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 6:48am I wasn't convinced that the first comment was really yours, Bill. But this latest one definitely sounds like you. The qualification process is frustrating. It kept me from making surveys for a long time. Sometimes I'm tempted to just vote "reasonable" on all new surveys, even if they're really awful.
bill	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 6:15am Yes, it was sneaky of me to sign my comment. I did that because I thought it would get people to be less hostile to me as the survey author, and I think it worked. Too bad every survey author can't do that (hmm... maybe they can). I continue to be unhappy with the way surveys like this get attacked in qualification. It's my survey, so I guess it's hard to be unbiased, but I just don't think this survey is broken. I'm also kind of annoyed that I have to explain why it's valid to people. When I came here just now, I was considering just deleting it because it just didn't seem worth the struggle to get it released. Is this a good atmosphere for survey authors? I know that I'm often frustrated and annoyed with the reaction from qualification to my surveys. I think this may be because I try to create unusual surveys when qualifiers tend to be responding to surveys with a standard script of what is good/bad in a survey. That is, the community here has developed unwritten rules or norms like "essay questions are bad", "you must capitalize the first letter of every option", and "you must include an 'other' option". Qualifiers seem to run through their norms checklists and block a survey that doesn't conform. While these norms might be good rules of thumb, I wonder if forcing adherence to them isn't stagnating things here a bit. Though, I'll admit that this survey is hardly worthy of an exception - it's not that great frankly. So, maybe my whole argument here is weak because the survey itself is nothing special. I believe that a truly abnormal but great survey would be qualified. It's just ones like this, abnormal and so-so, that are in question. Also, it's fair to say that I'm not using the site that much at the moment so I don't have a good understanding of what it's like to be a user here at the moment. Perhaps there have been lots of annoying essay questions recently and this is a reaction in some sense to that. I get the impression that there are certain sets of users who tend to vote needs_work on surveys, and other sets of users who tend to vote reasonable on those same surveys to counteract the first set of qualifiers. Am I right about that? Is it sort of like the supreme court with the conservative judges against the liberals? voting in patterns. Another thing I noticed is that it used to be that one or two users would hold up surveys in qualification, then I changed the rules so that a single user could not hold up a survey. Now, there are groups of users who hold up surveys. It's like people compensated for the rules change. Is this an indication that I should stop trying to make things they way I think they should be. People here want things this way and they will compensate to make it so if I change things. Qualification is great when it holds up surveys with gross errors or problems, I don't think anyone is unhappy with that. But when it holds up surveys like this, that are essentially fine (IMHO)- I wonder. I don't think that me asking you all to be more accepting of surveys is the solution. You're all entitled to your opinions and I think it's good that your opinions have the power to mediate the release of surveys. But... I still think things aren't quite right because my personal experience trying to create surveys is frustrating and if that's common, I don't think that's good for the site. ...that said, I think lara's suggestion of "what's in your pockets?" would actually be a better survey than this and I'm tempted to delete or change this one and just do that one instead.
romkey	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 1:43am but bill, shame on you!!
romkey	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 1:03am ASB: at least you didn't vote this one hopelessly flawed just because you didn't like it.
smurf	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 12:25am
darkshadowsseeker	old	posted 9-Mar-2001 12:03am
ASB	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 10:42pm Bill, Now you have done it. I feel obligated to change my vote because it is your survey. But I feel that would be prejudice to other survey creators. I hate essay questions. I don't answer most of them. This is why I feel you should add options. decisions decisions..... I think I'll sleep on it. ASB
HareKrishna	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 10:02pm I agree with ASexyBabe
spidertea	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 8:34pm
lara	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 3:37pm I don't usually like essay surveys, but now that you've explained your reasons I'm curious. I'd also like to know what else people have in their pockets. BTW, it's almost 4 in the afternoon and I am not carrying any money because I haven't left the house today. I've got a cold, and my pockets are full of tissues.
bill	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 3:21pm I considered adding options but I decided to just do it as an essay survey. If I did options, I'd have to give ranges, but I'm actually more interested in knowing what the exact individual amounts are. I also think that forcing non-US users to convert to US$ is a little rude. I'm not really interested in knowing about credit cards or checks, I feel that's a different question. Kate - that's exactly the kind of answer I'd like to see and that's why I'd like to do it as an essay question, to motivate people to write a sentence which describes how much money they are carrying. I'd like to just do this survey as a straight essay survey. I know essay surveys are frowned upon, but I hope you 3 will reconsider and let me try it as is. Thanks, -=bill
ASB	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 12:07pm Needs options for dollar amounts also you should include a currency converter and specify in US dollars. There should be an option For I do not carry cash I carry credit cards visa check cards bank card. Here is a good currency converter. http://www.xe.com/ucc/
darkshadowsseeker	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 10:53am What Pooh_Bear said. It is 7 a.m. and I am in my nightie with no place to carry money.
Pooh_Bear	old	posted 8-Mar-2001 10:31am How about options? $.00 - $.99, $1.00-$1.99, $2.00 - $4.99 or None, enough to get home, enough to buy lunch, etc.