In general, which of these things do you consider to be immoral?

Because I didn't realize that spidertea had made it.

So, any survey not created by spidertea is worthy of a bad vote?

stop putting words in my mouth

Well, what did you mean then?

I meant that I didn't pay attention before I voted.

early in the morning,

rising to the street,

light me up that cigarette and a strap shoes on my feet,

got to find a reason,

a reason things went wrong,

got to find a reason why my moneys all gone

but i got a dalmation,

i can still get high,

i can play the guitar like a mother fudging riot

well life is

short

so love the ones you got,

cause you might get run over or you might get shot

never had a reason to get it off my chest

never had to battle with my bullet proof vest

take a little tip take a tid-a-bit from me now

take all your money and give it to charity

loves what i got

its within my reach

and the the sublime style is still straight from long beach

it all comes back to you, you finally get what you deserve

try and test that you're gonna get served

love's what i got

don't start a riot

you feel it when the dance gets hot,

love is

what i got

i said remember that

love is

i don't cry when my dog runs away

i don't get angry at the bills i have to pay

i don't get angry when my mom smokes pot

hits the bottle and goes back to the rock

fudgein' and fightin' its all the same

livin' with louie's dog is the only way to stay sane

let the lovin'

let the lovin' come back to me

-sublime "what i got"
sublime 1996
skunk records

Good stuff, rules for living 'within creation'. By no means our limits of authority, responsibilty, etc. on higher planes though.
'When there's a choice between love and power, choose love', that's rule number two. [and it can get blindingly subtle yet mean the difference between heaven's and hell's] Number one is 'There's nothing but god here'. Think about that long enough and the figuring part will figure as much it will ever be able to before new capacities kick in.
Your song can be seen as let go, stay away, blow smiles while eventually crying in limbo. 'Sit back and watch unaffected' does not quite justify consciousness. At least there's the notion of sweet karma in there. Think about karma in terms of 'only God'. The stranger is jesus, the microcosm mirrors the macrocosm. What you send out comes back until you catch up to instant karma and are writing the entire script by the microsecond. When you find it was all really one mind orchestrating the clockwork for god's redundant eye's, options include detached encompassing directing or automatism satori of unobstructed joy sensation free from responsibility. The laws of time and matter can change too in pockets and planes of reality, (amongst those clockworked for the same level of belief/expectation), but the first step is observing the global mind at work.

to tell you the truth i don't believe in love. i believe in animal like affection. maybe thats just because i'm young and have never fallen in love. i think time is more of a bad thing than a good. sure its useful when you need to be somewhere but it keeps us on a chain. you fall into a pattern and then breaking the pattern becomes impossible. they did a study and a woman lived in a cave and had no idea of time and she only slept 4 hours a day and bunches of other benefits. matters just an idea

Vacation: Still on it, home but eyes are burning and mom came down to reremember LA and bring down tons of driftwood for we collected for my art projects.
Love: There are like 30 kinds of love. Some are unconditional (agape), others passionate (eros), infatuation, codependence, romance, etc. the best forms bubble and flow regardless of environmental situation.
Time: I've spent six days straight awake and learned a lot. I know one guy who slept 30 min a night for a couple months. My guru did 2 hr night permanently. I kept up 4hr/night for the first 3 mos of my awakening. Need for sleep is inversely proportional to spiritual love and mesmerization. I've intentionally gone back to a partial state of ignorance and ancient needs for 9 hrs though. {we need to wake you up before explaining why one would go back to sleep though} I don't live in time in several ways. Sometimes 20 minutes feels like 3 hours and vice versa. I stopped carrying a watch and paying attention to much more than moon phases and seasons years ago. (You can feel astrological changes when you develop sensitivity, esp the equinoxes (it's like a reversal of tidal flux)). Also time can halt or intersperse in both meditation and physical reality. Yogi's (I wear that label along with minister and a few others) can dig into the akashic records to find things that have happened in history.
Matter: If you like math, do limits on e=mc^2 with time as a variable. Materialization is distance from the source of creation. At the fountain source, time and matter diverge from infinite nothingness. To use the wave particle observor model, light in waves is infinite possibility; the observor chooses a reality, and bingo, a particular particle. I reversed the compass polarity of part of my living room for about a year and a half. Usually though, though I choose what events will occur in my life, they fit the laws of plausible physics. Sometimes my tea kettle lights for me or something. Yes, matter is just an idea, but why/how can 'you' claim that to be true?

There alot of them that I think are immoral, I think some are worse than others but there still not right.

Are you from L.B.C.???

There is no inherent moral or immoral.

I'll do whatever I want, when I want to.

i read in an article about this woman who lived in a cave with now idea of time for a year. it ends up that she only slept 5 hours a day, she didn't have periods, and she went insane somewhere near the middle. i think that speaks for itself. usually when i'm not at school i stay up till three in the morning and wake at 7. its incredibly fun and its really weird after a while. i end up seeming awake and after long periods of time i seem to0 watch the world as it passes me by. its amazing. i seemed to observe the world from the outside. its so weird i do it sometimes on weekends. i couldn't figure that out if my life depended on it. i am not a math kind of guy. i'm more of an artistic reader. also that time is proportional is Einstein. its weird sometimes i can never the surveys from the latter day. like the conversation about buddism. i couldn't fnd it after looking through like 800 milion surveys. ha HA my surveys are starting to get as long as yours. in my opinion, a major accomplishment.

what the hell is the L.B.C?

Long Beach City ............California U.S.A.

oh! no why do you ask? do i sound like a divorcee? its nice to talk friendly after i ripped this guy apart in one of my messages. i thought you were talking about some sort of organization

No No.What guy was that that you ripped apart?Hummmm,I missed that.Well,now it's been so long I forget what the comment was that was made.Probaably water bride now anyway.But really where do you live?

What I meant in the 3rd sentence was that,It's probably all water under the bridge now anyway.The reason why I asked,if you were from Long Beach,was because you mentioned "sublime" & the group SUBLIME comes from L.B.C........wel one of them,anyway.

i live in New Lenox, Illinois. Known for the biggest corn fields in America. god almighty my town is a bore. but i live near Chicago though so thats cool.yah i love sublime, though i'm not from Long Beach. they kick ass. to bad the lead singer died and they broke up though they were great. Where you from?

I was born & raised in Honolulu Hawaii.
In 1975/77 my husband(then)boyfriend & I moved to Seal Beach,Cali. then later to Long Beach,Cali.in 1983,my oldest boy,then still in 6th grade,attended the same school with Brian Wilson.The kid(Brian)used to be a chubby little kid,who played with my son.That's why I asked if you were from L.B.C. I thought you were one of the kids,that hung out with Brian also.

But,hey!Corn fields can be quite cool.It looks so much like the sugar cane fields in Hawaii.BTW.I got lost in the cane field once.Not any easy task to find your way out again.

I got lost in like 8 corn fields that were all connected. it was around 12 and i was with my friends. it took us 2 hours to get out. then we spent another 30 minutes to get through the woods. it was internal hell. your son was friends with Brian. thats awesome! Hawaii? you are so lucky. i wish i could grow up in a place that exotic. Talk about lucky.

I think people might bit a little confused by LBC. In the 22 years I lived in California, people referred to that city simply as Long Beach, including three friends who lived there for several years.

Maybe you & your friends don't listen to Snoop Dog,that's probably why.& they probably lived in the better part of LBC.Like near & around Marina Pacifica,Belmont Shores & Naples.

"LBC" is black gangster rap terminalogy.Your friends probably aren't familiar with the Mexican gangster terminology of "EAST LONGO" either.

They would have to live in that part of Long Beach to use that slang.These hoods,are usually predominately Black or Mexican.Are your friends one of these nationalities?If they are,they should be familar with those terminoligies.& if they're not,they probably never,hung out with the hard core drug infested community.& that's a good thing!

I lived down on 7th & Anahiem,for 4 years.We had to move from there,because it got so bad,with guns going off every so often & the drive bys.We moved to north Long Beach,a few blocks from Long Beach City College.It was way better there.We ended up living there for 8 years.Total? 12 years in LBC.

Where in California do you live?

& where exactly do your friends live in Long Beach?
Tell me streets,& I can tell you exactly how nice or bad an area your friends live in. I know Long Beach like the back of my hand,& I can tell you ALL the gang infested areas,the upper middle class quarter million dollar homes,to the bourgeois mini van driving PTA mom girl scout leader white picket house areas.

Ahh, that explains it -- more local slang. One was of european decent, another of latin american decent, and one was black. But all were lower-middle to upper-middle class. And yes, they did tell me of the guns that went off -- especially at midnight on New Years. They mainly lived there in the mid to late 80s - the only person I can really remember is the one friend who lived close to the Cats Mystic Eye (I can't fully remember the name of the metaphysical shop)

Again, my point is the confusion because outside of Long Beach and selected gangs, its known as Long Beach not LBC as what you probably hear everday due to a particular part of society you interact with. Its like saying you lived in 'The City' when you could be referring to San Francisco or New York.

I love to hunt. But if you ain't gonna eat it, don't kill it. ... Leather???... You will eat the meat of a cow, but not wear the skin???... lol

hmm...nope, no problems here. keep moving.

(currently on vacation) I was just telling my ally Ceilidh about the time I was planning on tunneling an underground palace back when I was spending weekends at a beautiful lagoon near the beach. People who lived there had identities like the cat woman or alligator man. When the world passes you by, is it your autobiography. Do you alter it.
Do you use the search tool? Doing buddhism, do you encounter gold magnetic bell toned energy or see visibly see the consciousness of particle matter? Those were some of the perks I found in that direction.

i'll try that. what kinda a place was that i never heard of such of place. sounds like something from a video game.

Doesn't it. Santa Cruz, CA was a weird town, but then so is anywhere else if you know how to seek.

THIS IS A GREAT SURVEY!!

Yeah,I know what you mean.....One would have to live in the general area to where that slang originated.

Like,originally I was born & raised in Hawaii.When I was a teenager there........totally different slang were used by the city teenagers.As opposed to our country cousin,teenagers.Sometimes we were like night & day in the way we spoke to one another.


But yeah,the Cats Mistic Eye sounds so familiar. I'll ask my husband he would know more about that.Is that like a book/coffee shop, down near Ocean Blvd??? Ask your friend.

& BTW you still haven't told me,were you hail from in California. I live in Murrieta in the county of Riverside. How 'bout you??

Yeah!! I know the feeling,of getting lost,in something so TALL,that you can't find your way out.At first,I started to panic,then I told myself to calm down & follow the drainage ditches.
You were lucky tho,at least you were with friends.This happened to me at age 16 & I was alone.
I was really stupid & naive.This guy that I met,while attending a course at a community college,asked me if I could use a ride home,& stupid me,I said "Yeah",& he drove me to a sugar cane field,on the other side of the island,& then said he was going to have his way with me,I told him,"Okay,but I have to go pee first in private." so he said "Go behind the car." & I took off running into the cane fields.He never found me.& it took me a long time to find my way out.Not only because the cane was so tall,but because I was also hiding from this guy that wanted to rape me.I never went back to that class because of that.Eventually 2 years later,they found this guy stabbed to death in a bathroom stall at a local beach.My guess is, that he probably tried to rape the wrong girl & she killed him.

Is it your state that has the field where a farmer thought about making it into a maze & charging money?

I was trying to find my son's 6th grade year book with Brians picture in it.When I find it I'll try to post it.He was a pudgy little kid.

excellent survey...

thanks that would be great. man, why can't my life be that interesting? that guy had it coming to him. i can't help but laugh. the poor bastard. wow sugar canes? where do you live again? jeez that guys pretty gullible, i wonder what the last thing that went through his head was. perhaps it was "boy i'm one fudging idiot. perhaps i have fudgeed with the wrong chick."

Yep,that was my exact thought too! A lot of my other female friends, said the same thing.

I still haven't located my son's 6th grade year book yet,but then again,I haven't been looking THAT hard,for it.Only because,I'm a hopeless pack-rat.I have sooooooooo much crap around here,that things I regard as "now pending",or "needing attention now" are the only things,that I have close at hand.It's been so long,since I've seen or even thought about that year book.BUT,one of these days,I WILL have my PACK-RAT way "UNDER CONTROL",& I'll show it to you.Hopefully soon.

I live in Murrieta,California.You know,in of county Riverside? But,I was born & raised,in Hawaii as a youngster.You still haven't told me where you live in California.

Riverdale. thats where Archie and the Gang are from. i hope you find it that would be cool to see. why do girls call there friends "girlfriends". i don't call my friends my "boyfriends". that would probably be taken way out of context. you must channel the pack rat from within. maybe you have a problem with throwing things out. if someone threw something out you would violently attack them and their dead body would join the pile. wouldn't that make a good love story

i DONT FIND ANY OF THESE IMORAL!! I LIKE HAVING SEX WITH DOGS AND DEAD PEOPLE AND I KILLED MY DAD THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE HE WOULDENT GIVE ME MONEY. MY TEACHER IS A BABE!AND I LET HIM HE DID NOT RAPE ME!!!!!!
IVE TRIED SUICIED ONCE AND I'LL TRY IT AGAIN THATS WHY I WRITE SONGS WHERE I DIE AT THE END

So which do you enjoy more, the dogs or the dead people? Do you wait till their bodies rot? You're not particular about which orifice I suppose. Are you telling the truth about the teacher? You seem to be more of the 'over my dead body' type. Suicide, hmm.. giving others a chance to do as you'd do unto them. Your so ethical.

   Uhh... That should have been split into three separate surveys. "What do you consider immoral", "what do you consider a crime" and "what do you consider wrong/are disgusted with". "A college student sleeping with a professor for a better grade" is immoral. "Having sex with someone against their will", in short "rape", is a crime. And "smoking tobacco while pregnant" is just wrong, I don't see how morality could be applied to it. Actually, I don't like people smoking under any circumstances, but it hardly has something to do with morality. And cannibalism? That's a hard one. I would qualify that as a mental disorder. Again, it can be immoral if you eat the dead body of someone's beloved (not having killed them, otherwise it would be a murder, not just cannibalism)... But as you're already insane, I don't think it will matter.

   And zoophilia is more immoral than necrophilia? I would think otherwise. After all, animals are just animals. All that *may* constitute is cruel treatment. And those bodies belonged to people. To me it's not much different from rape. And I have a hard time telling which is worse. (My vote was that zoophilia by itself wasn't immoral, while necrophilia was.)
   I think it all depends on what sex means for you... If it's something disgusting or an act of love. Though I'm surprised that some people find it disgusting and still do it.

*shrugs*

My first car once belonged to a person (perhaps I've had some other bodies in the past too). Perhaps these days it is being used to lead Nazi parades or for a car bombing, but if so, it doesn't seem to be affecting me any. On the other hand, animals would be conscious of any harm done to them. I consider ourselves to be consciousness, not matter, therefore damage should be considered in terms of how it affects our thoughts, whethar that be physical, emotional, or psychic.
I think for some unfortunates, sex being something disgusting could make it more of a passionate taboo to break, or a more loving experience to endure. So what made you bring up the issue of sex as disgusting? I don't see anyone else alluding to it here. Have you had to overcome some reservations ingrained from childhood or something?

   About "some reservations ingrained from childhood", the reply is here, in another survey. This one is too old.

I didn't really see a response that had much of anything to do with childhood aversions to sex in general (as in thinking sex is disgustusting).

CONGRATULATIONS SPIDERTEA

YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST RATED SURVEY OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!

   Not aversions, literally, "reservations I had to overcome". Do a search for the words "protective reaction" on that page. And as to aversions, that "orthodox spirit" I described there included the setting that sex is disgusting.

I still haven't overcome all mine. I don't really think about organs graphically without some hesitation or discomfort. Although fantasy mingling abstractions of romance, passion, love, positions, and settings is much fun, and I have no reservations when actually having sex. I also find the thought of anal sex to gross to think about, though it's fine if others want to. Who would expect such a prude to change genders and occasionally steam the dance floors in hot attire. Somehow I associated male sexual activity, especially oral gratification, with irreverance. It took being a woman and finding that a woman could get into that sort of thing to at least accept the notion from my masculine side. My mom's the sort to joke about oral sex at a fancy dinner, so I doubt I got it from her. My step-dad was a baptist minister who was becoming a zen monk when he was in my life, and was big on absolute non-violence. I probably got it from him. I'm like a vulcan. My sexual passion is like acting in a play for conceptual/artistic amusement. Very rarely in my life do i experience genuine lust driven passion. The last time it happened I as intrigued to find that being in that state intermittently for a couple weeks totally changed my body odors. I guess testosterone is also linked to the apocrine glands somehow.

   About graphicalities - takes time and a drastic change in your attitude to get used.
   About irreverence - I think it can be both, for someone it's deliberate irreverence, for someone else it's not, it also depends on your attitude. Took me a year of talks with other women to believe that they can like it too though. Used to be an absolutely foreign concept to me.

That was a reply *points up the thread*

Kick ass!!!

So rape is a crime, but is not immoral?
Please explain.

   Heh... Didn't see that coming. Yes, I think morality has little to do with it. My definition for morality is "a thing that tells you whether doing something is right or wrong, when all other ways to find that out fail". In the case with rape "other ways" don't fail... It's clearly a crime, and is therefore outside of the domain of morality.

So being a crime automatically puts something out of the domain of morality? I doubt you mean that there would be nothing wrong with rape if there were no law against it, and so it seems you mean that crimes are automatically considered immoral to a degree that they are beyond consideration. If this is so, then are oral sex and recreational drug use also automatically immoral?
I think you use a definition of immoral no one else is using. Immorality is one way of looking at things, laegality is another. Sometimes they concur, sometimes they do not, depending on a person's moral code. Perhaps there are people out there for which everything illegal is against their moral code, but i doubt there are many.

   Well, I forgot to mention that I have my own definition of "crime" too. You can think I live in my own country with my own laws. Which are often, though not always, more strict than the laws of the country where I live physically.
   About oral sex - I don't think it's a crime in any country... I may be wrong, of course. But there's nothing wrong about it for me.
   "Recreational" drugs to me are one of the most disgusting things in the world. You can preach the blessing of group sex, or zoophilia, or incest (there seems to be a lot of surveys about it lately), or all of it together, I will be less concerned than if you start preaching drugs.

Do you include alcohol on your list? What about caffeine, nicotine, and sugar? To my dismay, I do a ton of the latter. I just put up a more recent survey on the fringe sexual interests myself. That doesn't mean I endorse them. It's simply a hot topic here lately. (wait a minute, you did one of those surveys too, didn't you?)
For the most part, I believe in traditional monogamy, because I believe sex is far more significant than mere physical gratification. I find it odd that you are more disturbed by talk of drug use than outrageous sexual behavior, but, to each their own. There are several states in the US, including my own California, in which oral sex is technically illegal. I am quite against such laws that could be used on a discretionary enforcement basis.
As far as preaching on drug use. If a person gets by without drugs, they have my blessing. On the other hand, I think a person should experience as many states of mind as possible at least once, provided the physical risk is low. As Don Juan said, once you have learned the plants lesson, there is no need to keep coming back. I don't support anyone becoming a regular user of anything. When I was younger, my drug research books quite outnumbered my unique experiences. There are only a couple drugs I would not mind my children trying. For instance, I would definitely balk if my son were to do coke more than once, and would complain if he were to drink more than a time or two per month.
Bottom line though, I would rather he be an alcoholic than bop corpses or animals, but I think I would rather he was into responsible incest or group sex than be a severe alcoholic or drug addict.
How can you have your own definition of crime (that you keep separate from morality). It serves no purpose. Unless you refer to some biblical code. The argument about morality vs crime only makes sense when one (morality) is a personal issue, and another (crime) is a common standard.

   "Crime" and "morality" are both personal issues for me. And if you look, you will see that it's so for most people: why would people think that something should NOT be a crime when it legally is, or should be one when it isn't? My explanation is that they all (and you too) have their own definition of crime, and they want to change the commonly accepted definition to conform to their own.
   As to the "necessity to experience states of mind" - I just don't get it. I do understand the necessity to eat: otherwise you die. I do understand the necessity to drink: otherwise you die too. But the necessity to do drugs - where does it come from? What purpose do you claim it to serve?
   Yes, I do include alcohol on that list. I feel less strongly about nicotine because it's not a consciousness modifier. And caffeine and sugar don't belong on that list at all, they are everyone's free choices.
   You're mixing some things together... I agree with your notion of monogamy. But what does it have to do with zoophilia or incest? I can easily imagine two cousins being in a happy monogamous relationship, loving each other, and I don't see why it should be called "outrageous sexual behaviour". You know, to me it's just this: there's nothing wrong with same sex relationships. There's nothing wrong with TG people. Now, if I feel that way, it would be just hypocritical of me to think that there can something "immoral" in relationships JUST because you're genetically related. Other factors can make it immoral, but not this one.
   As to zoophilia, you're falling in the same trap as a lot of people here... For some reason many people seem to think only about the male+animal variant. Why are people so male-centered? It isn't even funny. Myself I always try to look at every situation from both sides...
   And I try to be fully logical and never stop half-way. If I find something acceptable that other people don't, I will try to find out why and apply the same reasoning to all different situations where I can. And otherwise. I would like to ban drugs, for example, not because they are harmful, but because they are conscience modifiers. I will look around, see alcohol and will want to ban it too, though it isn't usually classified as a drug (I don't remember what was first and what was second in reality though). But you see what I mean. If I dislike a particular behaviour in guys, I will dislike it in girls, though it might have seemed all right to me before. And so on.

'should be a crime' comes from ones personal morality. Crime ideally comes from the common denominator definition of morality. It's illegal to run through the streets naked because most people consider it an obectionable affront to others. I don't but I agree with the majority of laws; it is immoral to steal a pencil and therefore should be a crime.
Eating and drinking alone may be enough for animals (actually I don't even believe that) but, for humankind, I believe we are meant to make the most of our lives, learn what to transcend with and about ourselves, find the wisest most compassionate course of interacting with society, and fill the world with beauty and intrigue. To this end, not only do we eat, but we also learn many states of emotional being like seriousness, play, compassion, and ways of using our mind like intuition, engineering, artistic creativity, etc. We explore our full range of human potential by going to school, conversing with others that have different types of perceptionand worldviews, exploring beauty & nature, watching movies, listening to international music forms that require different understandings, doing meditation, having religious experiences, doing rigorous physical activity, honing attention, experiencing the 30 or so forms of love and passion, usually in conjunction with a mate or society, and several other forms of altering our consciousness, including drug usage. Only mahayana buddhism, to my knowledge, recommends one steer entirely clear of altering consciousness, while some faiths like hinduism simply alert you that your changes in consciousness (thoughts) ripple through creation. I believe that our primary assignment in life is to find the ideal form of consciousness. To do that, it helps to know what the possible range is, just as a poet is far more likely to write good poetry if they have seen some poetry before, even better if they have seen haiku and gregorian monks chants.
'everyone's free choices' - does that imply your idea of morality comes from existing common law? Does it suddenly become more moral to drink after ones 21st birthday? I wasn't mixing things. You brought up group sex, and i replied that it was a less deisirable moral situation simply because it commonly lacks virtues that generally tend to coincide with monogamy, which puts group sex in a different category than incest or zoophilia.
Perhaps, instead of the term 'outrageous', I could have used the term 'unpopular and generally condemned and disdained'. I didn't say that was my view. I too can envision a healthy love affair between cousins. I think someone having sex relationships with animals is definitely short changing themself. I give my cats caring non-sexual massages, and by extension of that thought, could, I suppose, envision something more intimate & consentual, but it sure seems desperate. Sex with corpses seems really disturbed, but I can even see that that is on the same scale of any sexual interests beyond physical intimacy, such as a taste for erotic garments or whipped cream.
I once did a survey on incest (where I imagine I must have elaboratedmy views in more depth). There certainly are other factors that can make it immoral. I don't believe they are related to blood as much as living situation though. Society should mingle, for more reasons than genetics. Genetics are an issue, if you've followed this debate; maybe not in isolated incidents, but certainly over the long course. As far as the biblical codes go, it would make sense that rules that apply to some as dictated by their birth blood, apply to all in fairness. It wouldn't do in a simple ancient culture to say that whethar or not incest was ok depended on the genetics of all involved. What was wrong for some must be wrong for all. If it were decreed right for all then there would be drastic deterioration, especially considering that in those days people were highly clannish. If few mated outside of their tribe, it was all the more critical that people didn't mate their siblings. We live in a different world now. A majority of people still exhibit what seems to be a natural revulsion to incest, and yet it's a popular theme in subliminal advertising, which suggests to me that expert psychologists understand it to be a complexity of taboo attraction or something at a deeper level, or they wouldn't be selling things with it.
As far as male-centered, hey, that's demographics. Men, for instance are far more statistically likely to cheat on their spouse. Magazine audiences are based on what people buy, not just what is sold. I spoke of the male-animal variant because that is the case in which their is cause for physical concern, and the case in which mutual consent is not guaranteed.
{in the US} Alcohol was banned at roughly the same time as narcotics. Alcohol, the gentlemans preference, with industrial backing quickly returned, but home grown plants, and the right to brew beer or distill spirits yourself, did not. President Jimmy Carter was responsible for the relegalisation of personal home brewing. Some cultures, I believe, still support halucinogens for sacred uses, but do not permit alcohol.
Did you mean to say 'conscience' modifier, or did you mean to say 'consciousness' modifier. In my experience, alcohol releases inhibitions. It is conducive to tears and emotional expression amongst those who are generally too reserved to exhibit their feelings, but it can also disinhibit one's violent sentiments. Marijuana tends to increase ones awareness and philosophical centering as well as putting people at peace, so the tendency is towards higher conscience as well as altered consciousness, although it often triggers paranoia as well. The true halucinogens, like acid and mushrooms, amplify whatever the state of ones consciousness is, whethar that be loving, lonely, creative, connected, dark, whatever. It shouldn't be done except in the best of environments with the best of sentiments. Cocaine seems to make people think they are hedonistic self-centered superhumans. I don't know much at all about all the new designer drugs. They arrived after my drug exploration period.
I know for certain that I would have vastly greater work productivity if I were on marijuana, it allows me to think about what i'm doing instead of wandering off. I understand though that this is probably not the case for the majority of people. I am still waiting for it's derivatives to become legal prescription drugs. I've tried a dozen other prescriptions (SSRI's and such), and they never helped, and often did more harm.

Being transgendered or even gay could be placed on the spectrum of consciousness altering too. Hypocritical is a relative stance. You accept deviating from common denominator thought in one genre but not others? As time goes on, I am forced to increasingly broaden my acceptance. For instance I've had spiritual experiences which induced me to interpret all sorts of things like 'inner voice' different from many others, and yet eventually I had the experiences they spoke of too, and had to conclude that there was not one path to spiritual enlightenment (the one that had proved itself to me), but probably as many legitimate distinct paths as there are people. I don't discount anything now unless it is clearly causing harm, though I will still advise people towards what has worked for me if they don't seem to have other tools of consciousness progress.

February,7th Thursday 1:09pm California time.
Hey You!!!How are you,Everglow?? Guess what???? I got good news & bad news. First the GOOD NEWS! I found my oldest son's Year Book!! You know??? The one with Brian Wilsons (from "SUBLIME") picture in it. YAY!! I couldn't believe it! I wasn't even looking for it. Just so happens,I was getting so tired,of looking at the the 9 years worth of clutter,that had accumulated on my sheves,next to my computer table. Well,as I was,going through some papers,magazines,books,photos,old calendars,newspapers,,cupons,maps,clippings.......well you get the idea. There "IT" was,amoung all that rubble.

Now for the BAD NEWS,I still haven't figured out,how to scan & send pictures,from my scanner,on to the computer. However,after finding the book,it has encouraged me,to learn how to do it now.

Probably take me a few trys....so keep your finger crossed,that I figure it out quickly,cause I'm so excited,to show you,what he used to look like.

WOW, SOMEONE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THIS SURVEY!

This is the best survey I have seen yet!!!!

having sex with dead people....YUCK YUCK AND DOUBLE YUCK!!!!!

Someone had some WEIRD ideas...

I will sum my views in one sentence as oppose to checking through this list of views.

AS LONG AS IT DOES'NT HURT YOU, ANYONE ELSE, OR GO AGAINST THE WILL OF ANOTHER AND IT MAKES YOU HAPPY. THEN SO BE IT. (ANYONE ELSE INCLUDES OUR ANIMAL FRIENDS =)

How can anyone say that two loving parents is immoral? No matter if they *are* the same gender. I just don't understand how morals or religions could possibly condem a loving family, even if that family is'nt the "ideal" one.