Do you like US President Barack Obama more or less since he took office?

What we have is a President, or I can't even call him our President, because it is a farce...this was not meant to be a communist country. We have become a socialist country, with a socialist person that calls himself a President, who is nothing more than a puppet for the evil One World Order. Socialism is soft pedaled communism.

Yes, I would like to live in a peaceful country, with my own kind, and there is nothing wrong with it.

Public interest, you have got to be kidding....you mean share our wealth with the rest of the world?

I ask you why, why don't these other countries offer their people opportunities in their country? Why should Americans have to pay for the opportunities of other countries people?

There are some of our people who are looking for towns that believe the way we do...and there has been some found.

I do believe we should, have more wind and solar power.

I am against a national health care program...bad for all. It will invite graft. I say people should become more invested in holistic care, learn personal health care, don't depend on AMA doctors except for emergency care, but not disease.

Yes, I was watching a show recently about fixing elections. The elitists can pretty much do what they want....flooding the gates with illegals, that cheat and vote....fixing voting machines also. I believe in the old fashioned paper ballot, a copy given to voter....have several trusted people checking the counts, in fact have the counting taped.

He is a bit of a socialist. I don't think one can truly be said to care for the american public and not be a bit of socialist. He also sides with big business somewhat, nothing socialist about that.

"Yes, I would like to live in a peaceful country, with my own kind, and there is nothing wrong with it."
- I'm half serious about you finding an OT commune. They exist, though more in So. American countries full of Germans and such. I kind of suspect though that you wouldn't really be happy in the world you argue for having either though.

How do you equate Obama with sharing our wealth? I've seen to more or less indications than with other presidents.

"I ask you why, why don't these other countries offer their people opportunities in their country?"
- Consider Nogales or New Mexico. These people have nothing to work with in the first place. The wealth which exists now is the product of careful management of seven centuries of wars and global exploitation, as well as geographic resources. If Americans traded property with North Mexicans, we'd be screwed. There's nothing but desert out there. All desert peoples throughout history have been nomadic, looking for something better. Mexicans are no exception.

I think the only way to guarantee to unfettered elections is to end secret voting. Short of that though, people might wear the color they are voting. If everyone in Florida wears blue, and Bush wins, something is up.

Rigged elections, to any extent they could go unnoticed today, pale in comparison to TV paid by big businsess choosing the decision information we are exposed to in the first place.

As I've said before, I'm no Biblical scholar, but from what I understand in the Bible, the wealth or birthright was given to Jacob. The wealth was given in order for mankind to prosper. God said you'll know his chosen people by what they create and produce to prosper mankind. 85% to 90% of all inventions were created by the white race, the House of Israel. God gave the richest soil to the House of Israel. God also said, those that was not in favor will be nomadic.

What I see is the evil ones, infiltrating intermarrying, and causing conflict.

But, in what I said, I think God is disappointed that we have not been good shepherds of our land...we've allowed ungodly men to take office, take over. This will change...we will win ultimately.

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by Perkins

> Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by Perkins

I find it funny that you consider the American left to be so evil, yet the book you just recommended is a very popular one on my side. Perkins has been a frequent guest on Air America radio programs. Perkins' other book also got quite a bit of promotion on liberal talk radio (2,570 hours and 15 minutes of conservative talk compared to 254 hours for progressive, and yet they went ape-crap when Air America first launched. Gee, wonder why.).

> As I've said before, I'm no Biblical scholar, but from what I understand
> in the Bible, the wealth or birthright was given to Jacob.

Actually, the birthright was originally given to Esau. Esau was the first born, Jacob followed gripping Esau's heel. Esau sold Jacob his birthright one day when he had come in from the field. Jacob was cooking "pottage", most scholars think this was a soup or stew of red lentils (masoor dal in India). Esau asked Jacob for some of the "red, red pottage" and Jacob refused until Esau had sold him his birthright. (Genesis 25:24-34) Later, when Isaac was to bestow his blessing on his firstborn (Esau), Jacob and his mother deceived Isaac by clothing Jacob in goatskins, fur side out. Isaac's eyesight was failing by this time, so he relied on touch and smell to identify him. (Genesis 27)

> God gave the richest soil to the House of Israel.
> God also said, those that was not in favor will be nomadic.

Actually, though the Bible describes the Promised Land as a land flowing with milk and honey, it's largely desert. There are fertile areas, but a lot of the land that is farmed in Israel today was reclaimed from the desert by a lot of backbreaking work, involving washing alkaline salts out of the soil almost square foot by square foot.

Most people interpret that line as 'You'll know godly moral people by what they do.' - no inheritance implied.

"85% to 90% of all inventions were created by the white race"
- Wow! That sure is racist BS.
Africans, mid-easterners, and asians invented most everything in the world up until the Italian rennaissance of the 14th c. (plus the greeks and romans a millenia earlier).

What is true is that starting with the crusades, Europeans started taking over the entire planet, and owning, controlling, and taking credit for everything, and limiting the ability of others to do so. Blacks could no longer pursue sciences when living as american slaves. The spanish ended up in deserts and working as field workers and maids.

White-centric international business now controls international patenting. It's not that folks in India invent any less, it's that the global intellectual property war machine favors our own inventions. Japan is one of the few exceptions to this, and that's because they were smart enough just after WWII, when we forced them to stop investing armaments, that the next world wars would be based purely on commerce, economics, and global law. Thus they invested heavily in technology and patents.

No historical or biological claim can be made for superior white inventiveness, only white domination, which is nothing to be proud of.

I'm familiar with "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". I'm not sure why you bring it up though. It only backs up my point about white domination.

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Back on OT communes and communism.

Something else you may not realize is that the biblical tribes were communist. It's not until the Roman influence of the Christian era that this was replaced by capitalism and non-tribal government. Even the Romans though were socialist, creating public water supplies, public baths, and such.

If you truly want an old biblical way of life, you want communism - you just want it run by church leaders instead of a non-racial democracy. Good luck finding any Moses, Solomon, or King David type leaders you could trust these days. You'd be far more likely to have your life run by some corrupt TV evangelist type.

I think you just blindly presume that anything described in the bible is better without thinking through what it would look like in modern times. There are good reasons people stopped doing things that way long ago, and not because morals decayed.

For one thing the population grew. Islands of isolated cultures are no longer possible. This was already true by the time Christ came on the scene, which is why his preaching was about people getting along. New circumstances required new codes of conduct. The world you want isn't practical unless the world population drops back to two million, not 10 billion.

If the world looked like that again, people would probably naturally go back to tribal leaders and councils of elders again too. Circumstances dictate solutions. Today's technology is based on sharing global resources and global consumer markets. Bike odometers are cheap because we design a specialized microchip and sell 10 million at a time around the world for $3, and don't just handcraft a few from brass gears for the richest local town folk for $400. A tribal system couldn't accomplish this integrated cooperation. In fact a tribal system would have resulted in our planet becoming irrepairably toxic and depleted by now, or one in which high mortality rates kept the population low.

Prior to recent

That's hilarious. So basically LJD's conception of birthright tracks it's source down to a swindler who would starve his own brother to get his way. ..and that the inheritance of millions of people today was sold out for a bowl of porridge.

Not that I care. I don't believe in inheritance to begin with, and this story backs up my position.

I'm not familiar with Perkins other writing....

Yes, I know the verses you mention, you are right about Esau, but, evidently, the good Lord wanted Jacob to have the blessings.

Cprasky, I'm glad to see you're reading the Word. God bless!

All I know is, I want the truth. I'm against communism. I believe in freedom for the individual. It sounds like you have contempt for your own people, been made to feel guilty. The educational system really did a number on the people ever since the 60's, added with the drugs, and drug music. When I was young, my environment was peaceful, protected, but now it is not...the bad elements started intruding, creating violence. Our area is infected with gangism, violence. When I was young in a primarily white area, we didn't have that, now we do....it has to be dealt with.

Yes, Christ wants people to get get along, but I think Christ wants us to be smart, and not get caught up in bad elements.

All tribes are and have always been communist. Native americans and eskimos are communists. Vietamese villages are communists. Irish and scottish clans were communists There is no indication or reason to believe that biblical tribes were any different in this respect.

I don't feel guilty about anything my ancestors did, nor have contempt for them, even if they were slave masters (which thankfully they were not). It is my place though to see what what is wrong, who was doing it, and to prevent it from continuing.

It's rare I can recommend something to you, but I think you would really appreciate the 'Sacred Contract of America' lecture series by Carolyn Mayce. Perhaps you can find it on tape or CD at your library, but you can download it now for free at KPFK.org. It's tonight's Roy of Hollywood show (Monday night, Tuesday morning 6/60/2009).

http://archive.kpfk.org/parchive/

He's playing her all night, so listen to both Part A and part B. Her topic is getting back to the vision of early americans, and going on about american ingenuity and such. She's not liberal or conservative (maybe a bit conservative actually) and neither democrat nor republican. She points out things like teachers at schools can't mention morals or conscience because of a fear of lawsuits from students or their parents. She adamantly questions our laziness about knowing a vice president has lied to us and caring more about fashion ads. She's very good at explaining our nation like a spiritual person, and where that person has strayed.

I expect you'll be more keen on passing her lectures around then recommending 'Confessions of an economic hit-man'.

She's pretty fierce about being a proud conscientious American. (I have a feeling she sides with you on immigration too).

Christ's position was to hang out with the bad elements but not have them affect you, but to be an example amongst them.

He only has one other book. "The Secret History of the American Empire."

Hey, I like drug music. Ever heard someone rip out the riffs all high on coke?

Thank you...

Thank you for the list...I'll check it out. Quite a list!

Who do you think is causing the worlds problems? God warned us we'll have an enemy. Genesis 3:15.

Beware, The enemy comes as a wolf in sheeps clothing sometimes. I have been reading and hearing some things about some people, that scares me. I see a fierce war here on earth...the force of evil fighting with the good. I've told my two local grandchildren, they're living in a treacherous time...beware don't let the bad influences take them. They're good kids so far. They're 18 and 20 years old. My four other grandchildren, so far, have been untouched by the bad elements, they're 25, 23, 20, 18. I pray to God often for their protection, and guidance.

> Cprasky, I'm glad to see you're reading the Word. God bless!

Well, don't get too excited. I have actually been reading the Bible for most of my adult life and a little before. But I probably don't the same things out of it that you do.

I could be wrong, but I think most biblical references to 'The Enemy' were meant as abstractions, and did not indicate any centrally orchestrated force directed against good, but more simply the lack of good judgement, in forms such as self-interest.

Buddhist texts are far more clear on this, indicating the enemies of every virtue on a virtue by virtue basis, or expressing them as pitfalls, like the dark side of what are otherwise virtues.

Mobs and such are sometimes organized, but too a large degree one convenient natural quality of evil is that it is usually the result of self-interest, and as such, evil people only cooperate with other evil people as stepping stones in their own competitive interests. Basically the top evil people are always at war with each other. Good has the advantage that more cooperation is possible because the motive is the good of mankind, not just self interest.

People are no more good or evil than they ever have been. In todays world of global communications, what good or evil people are capable of achieving has increased, but there is not more good or evil present than any time prior.

Their may be more ignorance though.

Good and evil are subjective, not objective. Controlling a person through sexual favor is the same from century to century. The objective dress code involved in that is an incidental thing related to the current norms of society. Nudity is not in itself good or evil, nor are drugs or most anything. It is the motives, the kindness or harm intended of which good or evil consist.

Compared to a century ago, people have less freedom, and thus less capacity for good or evil. People didn't have much freedom in biblical times either. People with the most power have the most capacity for treachery, and the people with power today are business leaders. There's a limit to how much treachery (like the fine print of a cell-phone service agreement) one can get away with without public outcry.

However directly connected to some centralized orchestrating force of good, I can assure you that any forces of evil have even less sense of direct connection to some central force.

You act as if satan whispers in the ear of people. In all my spiritual experiences I have seen no evidence of satan. The closest to it I have seen are people's own personal delusions of a spiritual nature, nothing centrally orchestrated. God on the other hand can be a centrally orchestrating force. You have nothing to fear. There is nothing God can not do. Whatever happens here, it is God's intent. Your fears indicate a lack of faith.

One nice passage in that Carolyn Mays lecture on America last night was about how surrendering ones fears to God was the peak of the mystical path.

I didn't intend the whole list of radio shows for you. You wouldn't care for the majority of progressive day time programming, although they do play much stuff like Confessions of an Economic Hitman. On 'Roy of Hollywood' midnight to 5:30 am, you can hear Gary Null on Wed. nights, all night, and spiritual lectures on Mon. and Thurs nights. The first Mon. night each month is old-time radio shows which you might also enjoy. The spiritual lecture programming is aimed at New Age mystics, and may be a bit too far out for you, but it is good for getting a comprehensive understanding of meditation, judaism, buddhism, christian mysticism, hinduism, shamanism, and such.

10% of thir stuff you would like, 90% you would not. The one show Monday night is all I meant to recommend to you.

We always have some enemy or another. Creating an enemy for each other or ourselves is just a perpetual part of human nature.

> So basically LJD's conception of birthright tracks
> it's source down to a swindler who would starve his own brother to
> get his way. ..and that the inheritance of millions of people today
> was sold out for a bowl of porridge.
>


But wait, it gets even better.

Esau was pretty pissed off at Jacob for having stolen both his birthright and blessing an planned to kill him after Isaac their father died. So Rachel, Jacob's mother, sent Jacob off to the tribe of her brother Laban. While there, Jacob fell in love with Laban's daughter Rachel and agreed to work for Laban for seven years in exchange for Rachel as his wife. Laban cheated him though and gave him his older daughter Leah first, then asked that Jacob work for him another seven years for Rachel. Jacob did this, got Rachel and was set to leave. However, Laban did not want to let him go, because Jacob apparently was good at his job. So he asked Jacob what wages he would continue working for. Jacob offered to work in exchange for all the sheep and goats that were speckled, spotted and streaked or dark. Laban agreed to this and promptly cheated again, separating all the speckled, spotted, streaked and dark animals from his herds and sent them off with his sons a three days journey away. Genesis 30:35-36 Jacob then resorted to a clever ruse. Kristal, if you have read any history of magic or the occult, you will recognize this right away as "sympathetic magic", ritual based on the idea that like produces like, the same principle that the iconic "voodoo doll" is based on. When the flocks came to the water troughs to drink (and mate), Jacob set before them rods of fresh poplar, almond and plane trees which he had peeled so that the rods were streaked with white where the bare wood showed through the bark. When the animals that were mating were strong, Jacob set these streaked rods before them, but when the animals that were mating were feeble, he did not. Genesis 30:37-43 I dunno, but I think some would call this witchcraft or sorcery.

I'm sure it was. Apparently it didn't get Jacob far though. Is this the same Jacob of Jacob's Ladder visionary fame?

> I'm sure it was. Apparently it didn't get Jacob far though. Is this
> the same Jacob of Jacob's Ladder visionary fame?


Yes, you will find the story of Jacob's ladder in Genesis 28:11-22.

Slightly less.

To be fair, I do like the way he handled the Somali pirates. And doesn't bend over backwards for Israel. And as annoying as Obama's pennant for waffling is, at least it paid off in the Iranian protests.