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1471"I am very fond of luck, but I find the harder I work the better my luck is." Who said that? Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1472Difficult sequel, not impossible. BIG difference. A 2 person faimly can thrive. Most of the time (due to poor life decisions), they dont...Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1473No, by that point the poor life decision was already made. Her poor life decision was having a child out of wedlock. Assuming the couple was married at the time of the childs conception, and that there was no cause for a reasonable person to believe that the man was going to leave after the birth of the child, and the woman took all the necessary legal actions against the father to no avail, THEN, and only then, can we say that she was less than 10% at fault (although some of the blame still lies on her, regardless). But lets be honest with ourselves, what percentage of single mothers actually fit the above description?Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1474Of course, the other poor life decisions made involve not doing well enough in highschool to go to college and get a degree, having children before you are financially ready, refusing to leave a locale where you are not succeeding...Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1475Ad hominem, and no. Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1476No, rather, I am tired of people who failed to succeed in life due to their own decisions taking away from my personal success (In the form of money, of course).
I made the right decisions, and therefore I have the option of going to a state college (on a widely available full tuition scholarship whcih is available to all nevada high school graduates with a weighted GPA of 3.0 or better.). Assuming I continue to make the right decisions, I will graduate from that college with a degree within the next 3 or 4 years. I will come out of that college at 18 or 19 years of age, with the skills and piece of paper necessary to go directly into making $35,000 a year (probably more like $40-50k... but that isn't guaranteed) in a job which I can imagine myself enjoying. I have chosen to remain abstinent from intercourse such that I don't have any children, and assuming I continue that I won't risk having a child until I have the money and time to raise one *on my own* (just in case the mother dies after childbirth, or decides to leave when little johnny is 15 months old.). You see, I have made the right decisions in life, and (most likely) I will continue to. Of course, I'll be the first to admit that I was dealt one hell of a hand, and that probably has something to do with my success thus far, but one can't go blaming everything on their genetic traits and parents. And you can claim that I was brainwashed if you like, brainwashed into this insane belief that the most important factor in determining your success (or lack there of)in life is oftentimes *YOU*, and *YOUR* errors and mistakes do not constitute a responsibility on *MY* part to support *YOUR* unneccessarily high standard of living.
You see, many people ahve trouble accepting that where they are in life is a result of *them*. It hurts to accept it, there is nothing more painful than accepting ones own faults (try telling an alcoholic he's got a problem...). Now say it with me "I am poor because *I* partied more than I studied in highschool.", "I am in poverty because *I* decided that it would have been too difficult to work myself through college." "I have a child because *I* decided to have sex."

I am sure it doesn't come through in text, but I do have empathy. But you know who I have empathy for? I have empathy for the slightly less intelligent than average dyslexic girl with the drunk father and drug user mother, who worked her ass off in highschool, stayed after school every day for tutoring (just so she could get c's), broke free from the chain by working 12 hours a day and going to night school at the city college (and then the university), got a degree at 26 because she could only afford 8 credits at a time, and ultimately got a job making $30,000/year. I feel sorry for her, because she now has to pay higher taxes, give up what SHE worked for, in order to support government welfare programs for those SAME people who screwed around and had fun in highschool while she was at home studying. She has to give away 5-10% of her wages (after all other taxes have been deducted), to those very people who called her a loser and a nerd for studying so much. I imagine this woman having a kid (maybe a husband too, maybe not), and struggling to make it herself. Maybe that 5-10% was the difference between an apartment and a house. Maybe that 5-10% was the difference between her being able to afford sending her daughter to a private school or not. Maybe she has always liked riding horses, all she wants from life is to own one, maybe that 5-10%, that $50-$100 a month is the difference between being able to own one, or not. She is the one I feel sorry for.

She, my lords and ladies, is the taxpayer. And don't think this is unrealistic. Most Americans are riding that line. Even in this time of great prosperity, MANY MANY Americans are right on that line between owning a home and an apartment. It is the average man and woman, (2 kids, maybe a dog.), Mr. And Mrs. "Some College" $28,500 each per year, who are having their money taken from them so that some highschool dropout can afford cable television.

And even another great line that millions of people are just short of, is what is known as the "Ultra middle" or "investor" class. These are the college graduates who live in the suburbs, own a $200,000 house, but still ahve a morgage. They still have to watch what they spend, and when it all comes down to it, they are just barely going to have enough money to retire at 62. That 5-10% a year, is the difference, for them, between being upper middle class but still struggling, and wealthy. And you may think "eww... more rich people". I personally WANT to see more rich people! I want everyone to be rich! That 7.5% a year, is what is keeping these people from investing money and becoming wealthy. New investors are GREAT for the economy, and a good economy helps everyone (Who can seriously say that they havent benefited from the past 7 years?)! We are preventing many of the people who have worked hard their whole lives from achieving their dreams and becoming members of the ultra middle class. The "welfare tax," is hurting everyone except for those who don't pay taxes (the recipients), and those who are too rich to notice. The MAJORITY, THE NORMAL PEOPLE, THE MIDDLE CLASS, is getting fudgeed! They are the ones that are being hurt!

This is the problem; The Democrats and media insist on portraying the "Taxpayer" as some fat balding old white man who smokes $20 cigars. True, he is *A* taxpayer, most of americas taxes DO come from people who roughly fit that profile. Regardless of this fact, taxes are still affecting the normal people!

The democrats represent the extraordinarily poor, the republicans represent the extraordinarily rich! Fudge them both, what about us NORMAL people? The democrats (with the help of a handfull of "compassionate" republicans) ensure that the poor recieve federal money, the republicans (with the aid of a handfull of rich democrats)ensure that the rich don't end up paying for it! Who is left to pay the bill? The normal people. Me and you. THE MIDDLE CLASS. The taxpayers.
Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1477What strikes me as MOST humorous, ASEXY, is despite the fact that the majority of people on SC (who have expressed an opinion) seem to disagree with me, none of them have made an attempt worth a "B" in a highschool level debate class to try to refute what I am saying. Sequel and jkiehart have made a good point/observation or two each, but they have avoided taking any stances that (by there nature) are in disagreement with my own. (I can respect that) Maybe they just don't feel like having the discussion...
ASEXY has failed to make ANY logic based statements, and rather has limited herself to ad hominem and supporting Brian.

On the subject of Brian, the extent of his arguement is 2 lines in his early post which attempt to say that most poor people are poor because of "[A string of bad luck] Police corruption, robbery, insurance scams and bad teachers."
I believe that poor people are poor because of bad decisions (which are oftentimes exacerbated by bad luck later in life), and he says it is [entirely] because of bad luck. I will continue about this later on.

Mireillens took a quick attack on my original statement which I will admit was a a bit callous, steriotypical, and presumptious... and definately demonstrated by example that I was incorrect in stating that the people who get government welfare are [all] "poor, ignorant, stupid, lazy, good-for-nothing sons of doges." And I will definately avoid making statements like that in the future [which fail to make a logic based claim].
Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1478True, many poor people have had some bad luck. [however] Good decisions early in life are insurance against bad luck. Lets boil this one to make it more clear. (This is simply to EXPLAIN (rather than defend) my point, as analogies are not logic).

In a "nation" of two men, there is a 10% chance in any given year that a house will suddenly disappear. Let us assume that the ONLY thing required for life is a house. No food, water, etc. Let us also assume that without a house, one will die a long, slow, painful death in the course of 3 months. Let us also assume that knowledge of the house disappearance oddity is free to all who are willing to be given it.

It takes 1 year (and no money) to build a house.

Joe, built a house and moved in, devoting the rest of his time to recreation.

Tom, realizing that the 10% chance was too much to risk, built 2 houses before retiring to luxury.

One day, Joe knocks on Tom's door; "MY HOUSE DISAPPEARED! (Bad Luck)".
Tom says; "How unfortunate, but you must have realized that the possibility existed, why didn't you build a second, as did I?"
Joe's response is; "I didnt want to. (Bad Decision)"

Now in america, this is where Tom would be forced to give Joe his second house. It would be SLIGHTLY logical for Tom to LOAN Joe his second house for a period of 1 year, during which time Joe can build a new one, but even this should be at the decision of Tom, after all, they are both his houses.

On the same note, there is a 1% chance in any given year that BOTH of Tom's houses will disappear. Guess what; TOUGH CRAP! He understood that risk existed, he made the decision to retire after 2 homes, and he got unlucky. He could have further limited his risk with a third house... Of course, no matter how many houses he builds a risk still exists. Risks exist! It is not the responsibility of the society to provide you with insurance against them!
Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1479When faced with the truth (or a logical means of determining it) incorrect people become angry, oh well. For anyone that has anything else to say, email me; Antcdg@aol.com. I am going to "hide" this survey. It is always the hopelessly foolish who are unwilling to argue...Should economically challenged people be given a scholarship to help their children finish High School?
1480Well, personally, I would much rather eat real food than junk food any day. That being said, real food takes time to prepare... Is the fruit prepared to be eaten with no needed cutting, etc?It’s mid-afternoon and you really need a snack. You walk into a room and see a piece of your favorite kind of fresh fruit next to one of your favorite kinds of candy bar. What do you do?
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