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JoeSchmoe2003
| #1 posted June 24, 2005 at 4:32pm (EST)
edited June 24, 2005 at 4:37pm (EST) |
Well, now that it's been a little bit, I can answer everyone's posts all at once.
I'll start off jettles. To begin with, you may pay taxes to the military, but we're the ones who have to live it. The military is special in that we have to live with all the decisions of the civilians, whether good or bad. The average American voter has never served in the military and does not know what it is like, and yet they believe they are qualified to judge how the military should be run. This is the main reason I believe you should not be allowed to be president unless you have served in the military (because the president is commander-in-chief of the armed forces).
southernyankee, the luxury I was referring to was the luxury of being segregated from men. I was not referring to having your own shower. Ask any woman if they'd feel a lot better not having to shower with men and they'll most likely answer yes, even if the alternative is showering with a bunch of other women. So while women can't shower on their own, they at least don't have to shower with men, which is the luxury I was referring to. Don't twist my words around when it's obvious that's what I meant. And secondly, anatomy is not the issue here. The issue is sexual attraction. I don't care if gay men have a penis, they still like other men. That is the key issue. That is why women and men are separated. It's all about sexual attraction. Most women don't want to shower with men, and likewise straight men should have the right to the same treatment. If not, then like I said, stick men and women in the shower together and see what happens. It's the same principle.
whizkid, putting up dividers is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Don't you remember boot camp? Remember, it was all about making us think as a team? That's why we all showered together with no dividers. Speaking of boot camp, where did you even go to boot camp? And what batallion and company were you? And what was the nature of your discharge? I'm just asking cause a lot of what you're saying doesn't sound right. I know of no other marine who would ever suggest dividers in the shower. And the comment about blaming officers is ridiculous. Of course officers try to instill a belief that we're better than civilians, cause we should be. We are the ones who are supposed to defend the civilians, so shouldn't we be better than the people we're trying to protect? That's the reason why a civilian can yell "Fudge you" to his boss, and at worst get fired, but if I were to yell that same thing to my CO, I'd probably go to the brig for a little while, not to mention lose rank and pay. It's all part of trying to make us better than civilians, cause if the ones defending a country are uncontrollable, then in times of combat we have a breakdown in the chain of command and the entire platoon gets wiped out. And your scenario is unrealistic. 60% of the population is gay? That seems like what you are trying to imply. I'd say if we excluded gays we'd lose maybe only 1% or less of potential recruits. I just don't see the gay population being any higher than 1%. 10% is ridiculous. That means that, for example, when I was in high school, 200 people in my school of 2000 were gay. 200? There's no way it can be that high! This 10% rule is based on a faulty interpretation of the Kinsey Reports in 1948, and the only people who use it are those who are gay and those who support gay rights. The fact is that 10% being gay is not realistic. That would make about 30 million americans gay. Now do you start to see how unrealistic that number is?
And lastly, to all of those who keep insisting on a "gay spectrum", CPT Fowler put it best. If you have sexual desires for the opposite sex, you are straight. If you have sexual desires for the same sex, you are gay. If you have sexual desires for both sexes, you are bisexual. Stop insisting that there is no such thing as pure straight or gay, cause there is. I like women, I don't like men, and that's final! I am 100% straight! I am living proof that there is such a thing as pure straight! Is that good enough? Or are you gonna insist that I'm really just supressing my gay feelings? Cause I tell you, I have none to supress! All this talk about leaving gays alone and let them be and then we get stupid people who come in and attack straights, telling us we're not really straight! How's that for tolerance?
LCpl Sellers, USMC | JoeSchmoe2003
| #2 posted June 23, 2005 at 11:10am (EST)
edited June 23, 2005 at 11:12am (EST) |
jettles, the main problem I have with your argument is your overgeneralization of my comments. First of all, I did not say all sexual problems were "nonexistant" in an all straight male military, I said certain sexual problems do not exist. That does not exclude others from happening though, such as rape of civilians, etc. However, those sexual problems exist in any group, military or civilian. Furthermore, I do not believe in "Don't Ask Don't Tell." I think the policy is very faulty and I believe in "Ask & Tell". And if we go along with what you are saying, that heterosexual men need to be able to deal with a homosexual in their unit and put up with living and showering with them, then so should women be required to put up living and showering with men. And one final question. Have you ever served in the military?
LCpl Sellers, USMC | JoeSchmoe2003
| | #3 posted June 22, 2005 at 10:46pm (EST) |
As a United States Marine, I think I can safely say how an openly gay marine in my unit would affect it. To begin with, the reason why men and women shower separately in recruit training is simple: it's not fair to the women to have to shower naked with men having to see them, thinking about having sex with them. Likewise, it's also not fair for men to have to shower with a gay man, who is also thinking of having sex with them. Now before you give me the argument of "hey, just cause he's gay doesn't mean he's a pervert", well, think of this. Just because I like women doesn't make me a pervert, but the military would never allow men and women to shower together, for the simple fact that the potential exists for problems to occur. If women are afforded the luxury of being able to shower separately to not have to put up with unwanted male attention, then so should straight men be afforded the same.
In addition, in the United States Military, men and women never live together (with the exception of married couples). In the barracks, your roommate(s) is the same gender. This is also to prevent potential problems of rape/sexual assault, plus the fact that most people don't feel comfortable getting dressed in front of someone of the opposite gender, unless they are in a serious relationship/married, etc. If a gay man were allowed to live with straight men, similar problems would occur. And the solution of "put two gay men in a room together" is unfair, because all the straight, unmarried couples in the military would cry discrimination because they aren't allowed to live together.
To put it simply, gays in the military is a logistical nightmare. There would be no good solution for showering together in recruit training (and showering together cannot be abolished because it is a very important part of training: to eliminate your shame among your fellow recruits), and there is no good solution for the living situation either. The reason why the integration of blacks went so smoothly but the integration of women and gays didn't is simple: whereas black is only a skin color, women and gays add in sexual problems nonexistent in an all straight male military.
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JoeSchmoe2003
| | #4 posted January 24, 2004 at 11:35pm (EST) |
What do you mean nasties? And LoonyLeftist, aka the former BrianW, I've never seen that before. | JoeSchmoe2003
| | #5 posted January 24, 2004 at 11:18pm (EST) |
Well it's been a long time since I was last here, and so much has changed. I'm 19 now, and became a US marine on Nov 21, 2003 when I graduated from boot camp in Parris Island, South Carolina. I said goodbye to Maryland, where I am from, and now live in Monterey, California. My rank is PFC (Private First Class), which is an E-2 in the marine corps. So what all did I miss? |
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JoeSchmoe2003
| | #6 posted August 18, 2003 at 1:50pm (EST) |
I would, but unfortunately boot camp is 3 months long, so I won't be able to check back until the end of November (my graduation date is November 22). And by the way, thanks for the positive encouragement, I'll let you know how boot camp goes when I return. | JoeSchmoe2003
| | #7 posted August 18, 2003 at 1:33pm (EST) |
Well I forgot that this site existed yet again, but I'm back yet again too. So can anyone tell me all the important events I missed in the past six months? Also, as far as me, I graduated from high school in May, and the reason why I said one week is cause on August 25, I leave to go to boot camp. That's right, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS! SEMPER FI! |
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JoeSchmoe2003
| | #8 posted November 29, 2002 at 12:06pm (EST) |
Well it's good not too many people remember me being bad, but I am going to be good. | JoeSchmoe2003
| | #9 posted November 28, 2002 at 9:38pm (EST) |
I'm back after about 4 months away, and I promise this time to be good and not act like an idiot like I did back in the day. After all, I turn 18 in January so since I am becoming an adult I need to act better. By the way, can someone tell me all the important events that occured on Survey Central during the 4 months that I was gone? |
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