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Wicksy 
| #1 posted October 10, 2009 at 11:02am (EST)
edited October 10, 2009 at 11:05am (EST) |
One in twenty chickens die before they are slaughtered. I saw a five second youtube video yesterday and saw over 10,000 chickens in one shed. That means that 500 of them will die of disease, abuse, hunger and thirst.
I love chickens and I am sad.
These 500 will be dead already. I feel like they were a part of me
| cerealkiller  
| | #41 posted October 12, 2009 at 4:48pm (EST) |
Wicksy shouldn't be eating vegetables either. There have been studies that plants feel pain also. | labjog
| | #42 posted October 12, 2009 at 4:49pm (EST) |
Wicksy wrote:
> labjog wrote:
>> Wicksy wrote:
> |>> My point is this. A life is a life, no matter whom or what is
> close
> |>> to it.
>>
>> I agree, to a point, There is something called "the food chain"
>> and , unfortunally for you chicken lovers, the chicken is pretty
>> low on that chain.
>>
>>
>> A chicken’s life is as important as a cat’s life.
>>
>> Again I agree but
>> in such different ways.A chicken is generaly considered food except
>> for the few who have bonded with a human, I have bonded with chickens
>> before on the farm, it does happen.
>>
>> Yet when
> |>> I stand up for chickens, people accuse me of all sorts of things.
>>
>> It's your presentation.
>>
> |>> Some people go as far as mocking me over it (in other words, using
> |>> the death of a living thing for comical purposes).
>>
>> Sometimes it's fun to mock someone with a fudgeed up perspective
>> on life, after all, we are only human.
>
>
> I would be very interested to know how I have a 'fudgeed up perspective
> on life'
Sorry, fudgeed up is a bit strong, can I change that to "a different perspective than most"? | southernyankee
| | #43 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:01pm (EST) |
cerealkiller wrote:
> Wicksy shouldn't be eating vegetables either. There have been studies
> that plants feel pain also.
I guess he can be bacteriavore then. Just be very careful about it. | southernyankee
| | #44 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:01pm (EST) |
Also, Wicksy could still eat mushrooms. Technically, they're not plants. | llamamama
| | #45 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:32pm (EST) |
No, not plants, just gross.
That's crime enough. | Wicksy
| | #46 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:39pm (EST) |
cerealkiller wrote:
> Wicksy wrote:
>> llamamama wrote:
> |>> I agree with Iseult.
> |>> I was saying those things because the way you
>> were going about it
> |>> was bad. Very poorly timed.
>>
>> and CK badly timed his: 'who cares about farm
>> animals' comment, yet he avoids all criticism
>> from you. Yet when I reply, I am attacked.
>>
>
> I don't recall any issue about timing from the comment I made. Maybe
> you can clarify? You have a farm animal die in your family?
No, but do I need to? I feel for farm animals every second of my existence. When a cat from a human household dies, it is a upsetting as a chicken left to die in a factory farm. To me, there is no difference, whether or not a human being is upset!!
If more people felt this way, it would go a long way to minimalising the cruelty of the food industry. | Wicksy
| | #47 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:41pm (EST) |
llamamama wrote:
> Okay, we know he was wrong..But did he attack you when your pet died?
> No.
>
> And, do two wrongd make a right? Last time I checked, no.
Come on, you saying that you have NEVER EVER made two wrongs a right. Everyone has in the past.
I agree, two wrongs shouldnt make a right, but speaking to CK in the way I did before (ie. oh CK, you should consider this, or that) was going unnoticed. | Wicksy
| #48 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:43pm (EST)
edited October 12, 2009 at 5:44pm (EST) |
southernyankee wrote:
> If its ok to say that a human life is worth more than an animal's, why can't
> we say that some animals should have more rights than others.
You could, but I don't necessarily believe the first statement 
After all, we are animals ourselves...more intelligent, but still JUST animals | llamamama
| | #49 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:44pm (EST) |
I'm sure I have (although I can't come up with any examples at the moment). You definitely have valid points Wicksy, and I agree, more people should be like that. But the fact of the matter is, that's never going to happen. And not because we don't want to but because it's hard. We work better in short stints. But I completely agree with you that people should pay more attention to things like that. It's fantastic that you have something you're fighting for. | Wicksy
| | #50 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:45pm (EST) |
cerealkiller wrote:
> Wicksy shouldn't be eating vegetables either. There have been studies
> that plants feel pain also.
Let's see what the scientists make of it, then if necessary, I'll starve myself!!
| Wicksy
| | #51 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:47pm (EST) |
labjog wrote:>
> Sorry, fudgeed up is a bit strong, can I change that to "a different
> perspective than most"?
Of course, but I agree with it. It is a different perspective than most. However, when you look at the world, the cruelty, the selfishness, the wars, the poverty, the hunger etc etc, a different perspective to this cruel world is surely a better option!!!?
And I am speaking from a position of relative wealth. How do you think other less fortunate humans and animals would feel about it!! | Wicksy
| | #52 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:48pm (EST) |
southernyankee wrote:
> Also, Wicksy could still eat mushrooms. Technically, they're not
> plants.
I hate mushrooms with a passion!! | Wicksy
| | #53 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:50pm (EST) |
llamamama wrote:
> I'm sure I have (although I can't come up with any examples at the
> moment). You definitely have valid points Wicksy, and I agree, more
> people should be like that. But the fact of the matter is, that's
> never going to happen. And not because we don't want to but because
> it's hard. We work better in short stints. But I completely agree
> with you that people should pay more attention to things like that.
> It's fantastic that you have something you're fighting for.
*blushes* well thank you.
I love llamas by the way. In my top 6 animals!!!! | llamamama
| | #54 posted October 12, 2009 at 5:52pm (EST) |
You're welcome
Llamas are awesome. I also like Capybaras (or maybe just the look on people's faces when they don't know what a capybara is)
| Iseult
| | #55 posted October 12, 2009 at 6:09pm (EST) |
Wicksy wrote:
> Well I like SC for a number of reasons. One of
> them is the FILTER button.
>
> Use it...
No, thanks. I still agree with you on lots of issues, just not on the way you go about them. I feel there's a lot more to you as a person, but unfortunately I see two sides of you on here - your dislike of religion and your passion for animal rights. | Iseult
| | #56 posted October 12, 2009 at 6:24pm (EST) |
southernyankee wrote:
> Like I said in a different post, using intelligence
> as the litmus test for rights isn't perfect, but
> its the best approximation we have. For instance,
> a servery retarded person would still have more
> rights than the most intelligent dog in the world
> (the dog would likely be a bit smarter). The
> reason is that s/he's a member of the human species,
> and that membership automatically grants you the
> same rights no matter what. And humans being
> the most intelligent species on Earth, have the
> most rights (might =s right in this case).
Well, human beings in some countries have rights. Think of women in Saudi Arabia - makes me recall Borat saying how dog is higher than a woman.
> Just because the system isn't perfect doesn't
> mean we give up on it entirely. For instance,
> why is alcohol legal but not pot?
I still think it's a good thing that pot is illegal. Imagine how much it would cost if it gost regulazed by the government. You'd be paying Crystal money for a joint.
>Theres really
> no good reason for the inconsistency; but the
> majority of people agree that allowing all drugs
> to be legal (including cocaine, meth, excecy)
> is a bad idea.
I find that extremely hypocritical of people. I mean, you can get Ritalin, benzodiazepines, codeine, even bloody oxycontin prescribed in a heartbeat, but calling up your dealer and buying a gram of coke is immoral and illegal.
> People are generally good at approximating where
> to draw the line, even with inconsistencies here
> and there. I still think intelligence is generally
> the best way to determine which animal gets what
> level of rights.
I still disagree with you. And you know why - beause we, as humans, think we have right to decide who gets what treatment based on what. I think that the animal kingdom functions beautifully without humans and the inherent animal traits decide whether it's going to be someone's dinner or it's going to escape. With us coming here and saying this animal is more intelligent than the other one, we are imposing our own views on way things are. Is the most intelligent animal going to survive and bring bunch of offspring in the world? Not necessarily. It might be the quickest or the biggest one. | Iseult
| | #57 posted October 12, 2009 at 6:28pm (EST) |
llamamama wrote:
> You're welcome
>
> Llamas are awesome. I also like Capybaras (or
> maybe just the look on people's faces when they
> don't know what a capybara is)
Capybaras are cute. I also like lemurs. | cerealkiller
| | #58 posted October 12, 2009 at 6:29pm (EST) |
Iseult wrote:
>
> I find that extremely hypocritical of people.
> I mean, you can get Ritalin, benzodiazepines,
> codeine, even bloody oxycontin prescribed in a
> heartbeat, but calling up your dealer and buying
> a gram of coke is immoral and illegal.
>
Okay, but these Rx drugs are for a medical purpose, although abused by some. I take ritalin to stay focussed (and awake). I've never liked being 'high' from any pill, or anything else other than maybe liquor.
Coke isn't there for your medical well-being. | Iseult
| | #59 posted October 12, 2009 at 6:38pm (EST) |
Ritalin is essentially the same thing as speed.
I got it without even asking for it. My Doctor thought I had ADD and I was like 'Okay, I can get high off it, I'll take it'.
My family doctor kept prescribing me cough syrup with codeine for a long time.
I have plenty of other examples so it's highly unlikely that every doctor that I ever visited is unethetical. I just think it's highly acceptable in our society to keep popping pills to keep coping with life. | cerealkiller
| | #60 posted October 12, 2009 at 7:30pm (EST) |
Iseult wrote:
> Ritalin is essentially the same thing as speed.
>
>
> I got it without even asking for it. My Doctor
> thought I had ADD and I was like 'Okay, I can
> get high off it, I'll take it'.
>
> My family doctor kept prescribing me cough syrup
> with codeine for a long time.
>
> I have plenty of other examples so it's highly
> unlikely that every doctor that I ever visited
> is unethetical. I just think it's highly acceptable
> in our society to keep popping pills to keep coping
> with life.
I have ADD which is why I take it. I only take 1/4 of one pill a day. Otherwise the anxiety kicks in which is much worse. And too much ritalin raises your blood pressure. | llamamama
| | #61 posted October 12, 2009 at 7:51pm (EST) |
My brother used to take ritialin..but not anymore.
He takes so much..I don't even know.
Meerkats are cute too | Iseult
| | #62 posted October 13, 2009 at 12:49am (EST) |
cerealkiller wrote:
> I have ADD which is why I take it. I only take
> 1/4 of one pill a day. Otherwise the anxiety
> kicks in which is much worse. And too much ritalin
> raises your blood pressure.
I have my own opinion on ADD and it probably differs than yours. It's your own conscious choice to take it every day and it's fine, you're an adult. | Wicksy
| #63 posted October 13, 2009 at 6:09am (EST)
edited October 13, 2009 at 9:57am (EST) |
Iseult wrote:
> Wicksy wrote:
>> Well I like SC for a number of reasons. One of
>> them is the FILTER button.
>>
>> Use it...
>
> No, thanks. I still agree with you on lots of issues, just not on
> the way you go about them. I feel there's a lot more to you as a
> person, but unfortunately I see two sides of you on here - your dislike
> of religion and your passion for animal rights.
Often, the direct route is the best route, in terms of getting the message across.
| FordGuy
| | #64 posted October 13, 2009 at 7:57am (EST) |
If it tastes good, I eat it. No matter how smart it was. But I much prefer eating cows to chickens. In fact, cows are my favorite thing to eat. That Delmonico Steak was well worth the pain the poor, poor cow had to endure.  | labjog
| | #65 posted October 13, 2009 at 9:12am (EST) |
FordGuy wrote:
> If it tastes good, I eat it. No matter how smart it was. But I much
> prefer eating cows to chickens. In fact, cows are my favorite thing
> to eat. That Delmonico Steak was well worth the pain the poor, poor
> cow had to endure.
Spoken like a true redneck.  | Wicksy
| | #66 posted October 13, 2009 at 10:05am (EST) |
FordGuy wrote:
> If it tastes good, I eat it. No matter how smart it was. But I much
> prefer eating cows to chickens. In fact, cows are my favorite thing
> to eat. That Delmonico Steak was well worth the pain the poor, poor
> cow had to endure.
But this is my WHOLE point. Do you care about the welfare of the animal or is it just about the taste...if it tastes good, I couldn't care less if it was tortured for days, as long as it tasted good in my mouth.
I hope it's not the latter!
However, many people would think the latter. And that is simply unacceptable in a society that deems it acceptable. | FordGuy
| | #67 posted October 13, 2009 at 10:31am (EST) |
Torture schmorture. Hand me a steak. | cerealkiller
| | #68 posted October 13, 2009 at 1:26pm (EST) |
FordGuy wrote:
> Torture schmorture. Hand me a steak.
My wife won't eat veal because of the way the animals are treated that are used for veal meat. Nothing like veal parmagiana in a good Italian restaurant to me. But, even I generally don't order that any longer, and especially is she's with me. | Wicksy
| | #69 posted October 13, 2009 at 5:03pm (EST) |
and it's me being out of order???? | southernyankee
| | #70 posted October 13, 2009 at 7:42pm (EST) |
FordGuy wrote:
> If it tastes good, I eat it. No matter how smart it was. But I much
> prefer eating cows to chickens. In fact, cows are my favorite thing
> to eat. That Delmonico Steak was well worth the pain the poor, poor
> cow had to endure.
I couldn't agree more. And man, I could go for some goat meat right about now. | FordGuy
| | #71 posted October 14, 2009 at 7:30am (EST) |
That's funny. Since I own a goat, more people have told me that goat meat is really good. I've never tried it. As the saying goes, I'll try anything once, twice if I like it!
Growing up we raised a cow, named Moo. He was tasty. Had a pig named Din Din. Din Din was good too. | FauxLo  
| | #72 posted October 15, 2009 at 10:31pm (EST) |
Wicksy is my hero.  | Wicksy
| | #73 posted October 16, 2009 at 12:34pm (EST) |
FauxLo wrote:
> Wicksy is my hero.
You're one of mine too.
You're invited to my wedding now... | labjog
| #74 posted October 16, 2009 at 9:40pm (EST)
edited October 16, 2009 at 9:41pm (EST) |
Wicksy wrote:
> FauxLo wrote:
>> Wicksy is my hero.
>
> You're one of mine too.
>
> You're invited to my wedding now...
OMG, now he's going to start a wedding list  | Wicksy
| | #75 posted October 17, 2009 at 6:12am (EST) |
labjog wrote:
> Wicksy wrote:
>> FauxLo wrote:
> |>> Wicksy is my hero.
>>
>> You're one of mine too.
>>
>> You're invited to my wedding now...
>
> OMG, now he's going to start a wedding list
Now THAT is a great idea. Must get that done soon | labjog
| | #76 posted October 17, 2009 at 10:02am (EST) |
| risingroad
| | #77 posted October 17, 2009 at 12:27pm (EST) |
Wicksy wrote:
> southernyankee wrote:
>> If its ok to say that a human life is worth more than an animal's,
> why can't
>> we say that some animals should have more rights than others.
>
>
> You could, but I don't necessarily believe the first statement
>
> After all, we are animals ourselves...more intelligent, but still
> JUST animals
I'm getting in on the tail end of this conversation and all I have to say is WHAT point in history did we move away from all that sustains us and started making ourselves (humans) separate from everything to where we now think that we can call the shots on what is smarter, better, more rights, less rights, because we are human, because they are animals, vegetables, white, black, etc.? For crying out loud. What inside all of you died to where you don't give a rat's arse about anything else that isn't human? How does that serve you? It is about respect. This planet WAS NOT created for just humans though if humans all died it would benefit, which is sad. What inside of you is so numb and hurt or broken that abusing that which isn't important to you heals you inside? No matter how much I disagree with someone I would never call them names or make fun of that which is important to them because it shows where a person's heart really is. | they 
| | #78 posted October 17, 2009 at 12:33pm (EST) |
risingroad:  | Iseult
| | #79 posted October 17, 2009 at 3:04pm (EST) |
It wouldn't be the worst thing if all humans just disappeared. I love this documentary - http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/afte... | Wicksy
| | #80 posted October 17, 2009 at 4:53pm (EST) |
risingroad wrote:
> Wicksy wrote:
>> southernyankee wrote:
> |>> If its ok to say that a human life is worth more than an animal's,
>> why can't
> |>> we say that some animals should have more rights than others.
>>
>>
>> You could, but I don't necessarily believe the first statement
>
>>
>> After all, we are animals ourselves...more intelligent, but still
>> JUST animals
>
> I'm getting in on the tail end of this conversation and all I have
> to say is WHAT point in history did we move away from all that sustains
> us and started making ourselves (humans) separate from everything
> to where we now think that we can call the shots on what is smarter,
> better, more rights, less rights, because we are human, because they
> are animals, vegetables, white, black, etc.? For crying out loud.
> What inside all of you died to where you don't give a rat's arse about
> anything else that isn't human? How does that serve you? It is about
> respect. This planet WAS NOT created for just humans though if humans
> all died it would benefit, which is sad. What inside of you is so
> numb and hurt or broken that abusing that which isn't important to
> you heals you inside? No matter how much I disagree with someone I
> would never call them names or make fun of that which is important
> to them because it shows where a person's heart really is.
You know what, what you say is what I try to say, but never quite do!! | | |
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