I know this is probably quite controversial, but I really couldn't care less. I've just seen media reports of people saying how much he protected his children by covering their faces all the time, completely forgetting that he occasionally dangled them off balconies. Not going to hear anything for the next month except for what a wonderful person he was, when that wasn't true at all now was it?
autumnlight wrote: > I know this is probably quite controversial, but
> I really couldn't care less. I've just seen media
> reports of people saying how much he protected
> his children by covering their faces all the time,
> completely forgetting that he occasionally dangled
> them off balconies. Not going to hear anything
> for the next month except for what a wonderful
> person he was, when that wasn't true at all now
> was it?
One time, the man leaned over a balcony to show a crowd his baby. Sure, it was a bad decision.... but all parents make mistakes. I know I've made my share.
I was thinking quite the opposite. The next month will be a bunch of people talking crap about a dead man.
Do tell, besides that one incident.... what else made him a bad parent? A bad person?
I personally didn't like him. I didn't hate him/ want him dead... But he slept with/touched young boys. Just because he sang songs and was popular doesn't make it ok. If it was a regular guy, he'd be JUST a pervert.
#9 posted June 26, 2009 at 12:32am (EST) edited June 26, 2009 at 12:34am (EST)
No matter what you think of him personally he was the best of the 20th century and his album Thriller is still the highest selling recording of all time.
Was he strange? Yes. Not his fault. From his childhood on he didn't live a normal life. I still love to put Thriller on full blast in the car, even after all these years.
Too bad though his death will overshadow that of Farrah Fawcett who also died today. She was also well known in her own way. Strange that she is most remembered for being on Charlie's Angels even though she quit the show after the first season. She did have ugly nipples though. They were at least a half inch long. Didn't find that attractive.
they wrote: > But how do you know he did that?
>
> Because a poor family said he did?
>
> Oh ok.
>
> Crap, I hope no one tells people I did something bad.
How does anyone know anyone did anything... People saying it.
I was just saying how I felt on the subject. I respect that everyone thought a lot of him. I just never liked his music... Not one bit. I only like the thriller dance.. and not when he did it, when they did it on 13 going on 30... that is all. I really never saw the attraction to him... I thought of him mostly as a train wreck.
Regardless, sad that he is dead... Sad that anyone dies...
EyesOfCharisma wrote: > I personally didn't like him. I didn't hate him/ want him dead...
> But he slept with/touched young boys. Just because he sang songs
> and was popular doesn't make it ok. If it was a regular guy, he'd
> be JUST a pervert.
>
> yea yea I am an ass.. Just sayin though.
Exactly.
I might be completely wrong, but my personal opinion is that there was definitely something wrong going on with him. Didn't like him as a person at all. His music, however, was mostly brilliant.
It's a tragic death to a tragic life. We are a MJ respecting house.
If he did what he was accused of doing, they had better prove it's true. Other wise it's just another tragic chapter in a tragic life. It isn't everyday we get to be a part of genious in our lifetime. I appreciate and am honored I was alive when he was.
I was an active participant in the first black video on MTV. Thriller was everything it was hyped up to be. I love his music and I occasionally listen to that little cassette with the "ABC" song on it. whichever album that was. It's sad, but I feel I've been mourning his not being with us since that creepy dickead Bashire(?) did that interview with him which turned out to be cruel, unfair, and in terribly bad taste. That is a man who ought to go to prison for killing what little dignity the Michael had left.
May he rest in peace
Who is Michael? A person we would have over for dinner? Or an entertainer. I see MJ as an entertainer with too much of his freakshow life the public had to suck dry. I am done dealing with the anger and burning torches he had during his last few years. That whole Neverland thing was too freaky for me, but step out of my way when he starts to sing and dance.
I never was into his music but he was undeniably talented (and so much cuter when he was a kid) I have to admit though, Thriller is the only one of 2 videos I ever bothered to download. In fact, I watched it just last week...
I wonder what are the chances that the Iranian Mullahs are behind MJ's death. I mean it is kinda convenient MJ "just happened" to die during the same week people in Iran are protesting while their government is beating the crap out of them. So now the media is covering MJ's death--- instead of the protests.
southernyankee wrote: > I wonder what are the chances that the Iranian
> Mullahs are behind MJ's death. I mean it is > kinda convenient MJ "just happened" to die during
> the same week people in Iran are protesting while
> their government is beating the crap out of them.
> So now the media is covering MJ's death--- instead
> of the protests.
I was an MJ fan......... had all his albums, I have 'History" on my Mp3 player, now!......there was an article on about a cartoonist who had drawn a controversial cartoon.
I totally forgot about that (see, its working already). Yeah, he did luck out on that too. Actually, I had my own conspiracy theory going for a while that the Iranians planted the Argentinian hooker, until I realized that would be un-Islamic.
I am sure we can always count on Irene to provide proof though.
I was very upset when I heard the news. I thought he was so incredibly talented, and I didn't believe a word that the families accused him of doing.
After all, if your child was molested by an adult, would you accept blood money from them? Hell no, you would want him to stand accountable for his crimes.
This wasn't the case though, and a scared and innocent Jacko paid out to the family.
Hmmm...
R.I.P Jacko, you will always hold a special place in my heart! Especially as I knew how much you loved your animals
#24 posted July 5, 2009 at 9:20pm (EST) edited July 5, 2009 at 9:23pm (EST)
I think he's better off. He was built up, loved, chewed up, spat out and scorned by this miserable world. I think he deserved better -- I think he deserved a childhood. Aside from the torment, he lived a pretty great life, I imagine. He got to travel the world and experience more love and adoration at one time than any other person ever has before him. I feel badly that he was put through the wringer, but I don't feel sorry for him at all. I won't accept that he wasn't able to squeeze more than several lifetimes into his fifty years of life. I just wish he would've left a final "Fudge You" taping to air that would've been his way of laughing at and pitying the world. As for the allegations against him, I just don't know if they were true or not and I really don't care. He's dead now and the alleged victims seem to have been fine with the money they got for their pain/performances.
FauxLo wrote: He got
> to travel the world and experience more love and
> adoration at one time than any other person ever
> has before him.
Experiencing love and adoration doesn't mean it was absorbed. My ex-wife and to a lesser extent my current wife can't handle family, love and attention. Childhood was so miserable their brains automatically reject positive life experiences that a 'normal' person appreciates. Holidays are depressing for them and my wife won't even participate and hasn't for years. Having your childhood messed up truly ruins your adult life.
I could never understand it years ago with my first wife. I assumed that with a lousy life until then my wife would really enjoy and love to be with my family for a real Christmas. Wrong. She was conditioned mentally to have bad holidays and nothing would change that. Kinda like those movies where a woman is raped and can never really get close to her husband again. The brain defies logic. Oh well, shes' dead now so don't have to worry about her Christmases anymore.
So, MJ despite all the fame, adoration, etc. was forcing it that he was happy, enjoying life, the fans, etc. The reality is he was sad, empty and trying to be the child he never got to be.
Maybe, but ultimately he sought it out. He could've retired at any point after he left his father's management. If he didn't absorb the love from his fans, then why pursue the career that he did? I think he loved it and felt all of it when he was on top and took the decline of his fame very personally. I like him for being tortured. It wasn't all handed to him and you don't look at him and think he got dealt a better hand of cards in the game of life. He worked for everything that he got in life and deserved it, unlike most of the new celebrities that Hollywood is churning out. They're garbage.
> After all, if your child was molested by an adult, would you accept
> blood money from them? Hell no, you would want him to stand accountable
> for his crimes.
of course there are cases of this happening for different reasons: some families may believe they don't want their child to testify in a courtroom or put through all that and maybe they will be better off taking the money and running. others i'm sure take the money because they put their child in that situation and don't want to be questioned on their parenting skills. same with women who are raped and don't want to go thru he said she said.
i don't know what to believe about him..... i don't necessarily believe he wasn't or was a pedophile and now i don't think we will ever know.
he was amazingly talented but do i think all of this mania is called for, NO!
his family is making this into the circus his life was.................... i think it diminishes him and his talent.
his life was perhaps rough and tortured in some way........ but so are millions of others in this world who are not made into heros for making it through whole, which i don't think he did!!
this is just my opinion!!!
MJ died during an emotional time as it is. It would be so easy to say he died selfishly, during the time of...(fill in the bitter blank). How does MJ do it? Elicit such emotional turmoil in people. Because he was the eptiome of an emotional human being. He faced his emotions head on, front page. Most of us hide our emtions behind conveniences like internet or seemingly 'justifyable' excuses. If every9ne reqlly knew how he used that to betterment of the human race. See him as you do, but do not judge me for how I see him. Hopefully as a human being that spent his entire life making the world a better place.
I'm seeing the next new wrist band. "WWMJD!" Here is a hint...it has nothing to do with religion.
#32 posted July 22, 2009 at 1:58pm (EST) edited July 22, 2009 at 1:58pm (EST)
I feel like I can finally enjoy &appreciate his post-80's music now that he's not in the way to distract me or to turn me off from it.
He was an entertainer...people look at you for your living for God's sake...it was impossible for me to seperate his appearance and odd lifestyle from his music.
#33 posted July 28, 2009 at 7:51pm (EST) edited July 28, 2009 at 7:53pm (EST)
I bought both History and History part II DVD's of MJ's video greatest hits. We sat there Saturday night for almost 4 hours watching both of them. His songs continually play in my head.
His song Childhood (theme from Free Willy) pretty much says it all. Try watching the video of him singing this and not cry. Even I did.
Childhood
By Michael Jackson
Have you seen my Childhood?
I’m searching for the world that I come from
‘Cause I’ve been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart…
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities…
‘Cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me…
People say I’m not okay
‘Cause I love such elementary things…
It’s been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood
I’ve never known…
Have you seen my Childhood?
I’m searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne…
Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?
People say I’m strange that way
‘Cause I love such elementary things,
It’s been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood (Childhood) I’ve never known…
Have you seen my Childhood?
I’m searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
But the dreams I would dare, watch me fly…
Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I’ve had
Have you seen my Childhood….
For me, MJ was just a guy who sang some songs...a few of which I liked, most of which I didn't. He had no more impoact on me than that. As far as him being a pedophile, well, I think he definitely had some issues with children and childhood, but I am also aware that the ultra rich are often targets, unjustly so. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened. Additionally, I think that whether I liked him or not, he was talented, and in that sense, his death will be a considerable loss.
What pisses me off about this whole situation is that on the same day, 8 soldiers died in Afghanistan. 8 boys laid down their lives for us and were basically ignored for their ulitmate sacrifice. 8 families pride, heartache, and devastation was insulted by a society that values the ability to sing well above honor, duty, and sacrifice. I don't wish MJ any ill-will, but those 8 soldiers deserved an LA mega-funeral a hell of a lot more than he did.
People never care much about individual soldiers being killed. They don't know them, can't personnally associate with them like they can with a celebrity. I know when I hear about soldiers being killed, civilian dieing from car bombs, etc. it means nothing to me personally. It's like the weather caster saying it will be 95 today and sunny.
Yet, you can identify with a guy who is made of plastic, gives wine to young boys, and sleeps with them (asexually or otherwise). Yeah, of course, that makes perfect sense, especially faced with the fact that 1 out of 200 people has served in the military.
cerealkiller wrote: > People never care much about individual soldiers
> being killed. They don't know them, can't personnally
> associate with them like they can with a celebrity.
I beg to differ. In fact, I will be so bold to say you are dead wrong.
> I know when I hear about soldiers being killed,
> civilian dieing from car bombs, etc. it means
> nothing to me personally. It's like the weather
> caster saying it will be 95 today and sunny.
THAT is just you. The rest of the world outside of your small existance is not like you. That is comfort alone.
cloudhugger wrote: > cerealkiller wrote: >> People never care much about individual soldiers
>> being killed. They don't know them, can't
> personnally
>> associate with them like they can with a celebrity.
>
> I beg to differ. In fact, I will be so bold to
> say you are dead wrong.
>
>> I know when I hear about soldiers being killed,
>> civilian dieing from car bombs, etc. it means
>> nothing to me personally. It's like the weather
>> caster saying it will be 95 today and sunny.
>
>
> THAT is just you. The rest of the world outside
> of your small existance is not like you. That
> is comfort alone.
>
I would say neither of us is right. You assume the rest of the world cares, based on what? I've never heard anyone in my life talk about any war or soldiers being killed, have never seen anyone writing about soldiers dieing or giving a crap in the newspaper other than the statistics. Seemed the only ones to care were the family members and relatives.
People live in their own little worlds, concerned about mainly what is right around them. Some war in another far off land means little or nothing. Yes, there are those who care, but I suspect the percentage is fairly low compared to the entire population. It only seems like alot of people care or fight against the war because they make noise about it. People who don't care don't go around shouting "I don't care". I would say more people lean towards my non-caring attitude than yours. But that is my own opinion.
There is a simple solution to the Afghanistan war. Drop nuclear weapons on the entire country and obliterate everything. Give the innocent people a few days to get out. Afghanistan is one of the most desolate, barren countries in the world. You would also eliminate the world's major source of opium. Afghanistan only has a population of 917,000 people, likely most of them in major cities like Kabul. Hey, bring the decent one's over here to balance out the destruction of our country by the Mexican cockroaches.
cerealkiller wrote: > cloudhugger wrote: >> cerealkiller wrote: > |>> People never care much about individual soldiers
> |>> being killed. They don't know them, can't
>> personnally
> |>> associate with them like they can with a celebrity.
>>
>> I beg to differ. In fact, I will be so bold
> to
>> say you are dead wrong.
>>
> |>> I know when I hear about soldiers being killed,
> |>> civilian dieing from car bombs, etc. it means
> |>> nothing to me personally. It's like the weather
> |>> caster saying it will be 95 today and sunny.
>>
>>
>> THAT is just you. The rest of the world outside
>> of your small existance is not like you. That
>> is comfort alone.
>>
>
> I would say neither of us is right. You assume
> the rest of the world cares, based on what? I've
> never heard anyone in my life talk about any war
> or soldiers being killed, have never seen anyone
> writing about soldiers dieing or giving a crap
> in the newspaper other than the statistics. Seemed
> the only ones to care were the family members
> and relatives.
I don't make assumptions on clear cold facts of the voices and brokenherts I hear almost every day coming from people who don't know anyone personally in the war over there. You make assumptions that I make assumptions. Again, may I be so bold as to say you are dead wrong.
> People live in their own little worlds, concerned
> about mainly what is right around them. Some
> war in another far off land means little or nothing.
> Yes, there are those who care, but I suspect
> the percentage is fairly low compared to the entire
> population. It only seems like alot of people
> care or fight against the war because they make
> noise about it. People who don't care don't go
> around shouting "I don't care". I would say more
> people lean towards my non-caring attitude than
> yours. But that is my own opinion.
I honestly do not believe that. I would say that there are more that care than do not care. We see what we are.
> There is a simple solution to the Afghanistan
> war. Drop nuclear weapons on the entire country
> and obliterate everything. Give the innocent
> people a few days to get out. Afghanistan is
> one of the most desolate, barren countries in
> the world. You would also eliminate the world's
> major source of opium. Afghanistan only has a
> population of 917,000 people, likely most of them
> in major cities like Kabul. Hey, bring the decent
> one's over here to balance out the destruction
> of our country by the Mexican cockroaches.
I will be honest. If I hear someone died in this world.. Celebrity/Soldier/Person down the block.. It doesn't effect me. Unless I knew the person. I think I am just numb to it. Every day there is at least 10 people shot in the city next to me.. It kinda got like ok, bla bla bla we get it.. another person dead. Unless it is really horrific, I don't pay it much attention.
